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Post by threeseed »

slavboj wrote: post #650
smnrchrds wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no violence, and no obvious danger A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike. https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro...

Surprisingly, despite "a willingness to use them against police", they didn't use them against police, so it's likelier than not that the story is made up or mischaracterized.

A lot of people will say they are willing to do something.

But when their life is on the line they suddenly capitulate.

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Post by adolph »

FireBeyond wrote: post #688
adolph wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the story. The MD does not claim she or her staff has been harassed. Her one claim is "And a lot of people have been harassed, have been told to take their masks off." The MD also claims "I would say that a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing to have in the middle of your city" which is weird since large trucks are a primary and pervasive mode of transporting goods nearly everywhere. The story also does no…

> The MD also claims "I would say that a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing to have in the middle of your city" which is weird since large trucks are a primary and pervasive mode of transporting goods nearly everywhere. I must have missed where large trucks sit for days on end, engine running, horns blaring endlessly as part of their "useful public utility". > The story also does not disclose that the interviewe…

The interviewee does not assert that "large trucks sit for days on end, engine running, horns blaring endlessly," just that "a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing."

I deny that pointing out the obvious and undeclared conflict of interest is bias, blatant or not. The physician is articulating the same position as her employer who is in opposition to the protestors. Would it be fair for a Facebook employee to comment on an issue regarding their employer and not disclose it, especially if they worked in a portion of the company directly involved in the issue at hand?

EDIT:

Also, the parent comment to mine claimed of the NPR interview: "Here's an interview with a MD in downtown Ottawa, speaking of her and her staff at a medical clinic getting harassed in the street for wearing a mask."

This description is not true of the interview text available at the link when I read it.

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Post by jdrc »

okokwhatever wrote: post #552

Reading this thread demonstrate to me why we (as a society, no matter where you're living) can't live together as we've been doing anymore. The ideas are colliding in too many areas and all of them look like a rat trap. Something hostile in human behavior we are unable to remove is deeply rotten and who knows how we can fix it. This are sad (but non desperate) times to live.

Governmental centralization control has grown steadily since the start of the 20th century. Control and micromanagement of human behavior and thought, especially in big cities, has grown beyond what humans are capable of tolerating

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Post by ghettoCoder »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #789
908B64B197 wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (u…

> Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.

You’re partially correct. Don’t forget the goodie bag the media gets to “support journalism” which basically is a huge pot of money. Or Telford bragging she could get articles written published to smear to smear someone. It not too hard to make the connection between money and favours now is it?

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Post by rablackburn »

liminal wrote: post #497

The lack of effective policing is what's most disappointing to me. The Ottawa police have completely failed to enforce any boundaries. This further erodes public trust in the police and public safety in general. In that sense the protestors are winning.

What is effective policing meant to look like in circumstances like this?

This is an unarguably large amount of people practicing civil disobedience. How many police does Ottawa have on hand to deal with it?

All the tactics I can think of to truly control a crowd this size are rather…harsh (lines of riot police and water cannons etc). So if you don’t take that option you’re left with tactical deployment of officers.

Seems like a hard problem to get right. Just because they’re not perfect doesn’t mean they’re not effective.

The fact that they’re seizing weapons caches before any particularly heinous outbreaks of violence makes me think they’re prioritising their resources somewhat effectively?

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Post by lowkey »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #789
908B64B197 wrote: post #760

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. On the livestreams they had music blasting and children playing in the snow near the trucks. Doesn’t look like an “insurrection”, as the state media described it, by any stretch (u…

> Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.

Except in this case the major private Canadian media all participated in taking something like $600 million Canadian dollars in subsidies from the government. Justin Trudeau even had the audacity to joke about having bribed the media. [0]

I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that these handouts may have biased the media to the point where they may be reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them.

[0] https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/justin-trudeau-60...

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Post by amadeusw »

kepler1 wrote: post #703
tedivm wrote: post #4

I went through the leaks last night and they're wrong about the IP addresses. All of the IP addresses listed are internal to the service itself- they recorded the IP addresses of their own nodes (or possibly cloudflare edge nodes), and they're all from one of a few ranges or localhost. The email addresses, names, country and zip codes all seem legit though.

Where does one find the leaked list?

I'd like to know as well. The Distributed Denial of Secrets [1] page states that "Due to PII in the dataset, the dataset is only being offered to journalists and researchers."

Edit: Here [2], captured by the Internet Archive

[1] - https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/GiveSendGo_Freedom_Convoy_donor_...

[2] - https://web.archive.org/web/20220214031301/https://givesendg...

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

lowkey wrote: post #806
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #789

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind that in Canada a lot of the media is state owned and operated. So the media coverage might reflect more on what the ruling party wants the people to think of the protests. Sure, there's the CBC but the rest of our media is not state owned, so that's a weird claim to make.

Except in this case the major private Canadian media all participated in taking something like $600 million Canadian dollars in subsidies from the government. Justin Trudeau even had the audacity to joke about having bribed the media. [0] I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that these handouts may have biased the media to the point where they may be reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them. [0] htt…

I'm not arguing there's not some possible influence, I don't know if you can say that with any media in any country, I was just taking exception to the blatantly false "state owned and operated".

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Post by dukeofdoom »

fuzzer37 wrote: post #350
tagoregrtst wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Just get vaccinated. It takes, like, 5 minutes.

Just comply and the regime will not threaten you is not really how a free person thinks.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by II2II »

ahthat wrote: post #683
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

Media coverage of these protests is vastly negative. I remember only a few years ago (2020) when protests were undoubtedly violent across the United States. Video evidence of this violence as well as mass crowd driven theft was widely documented and distributed. I have yet to see video evidence of any violence from freedom convoys, and the ground based video evidence I have seen appears vastly peaceful. This does not…

> Furthermore, it can be effectively argued that forcing workers to get vaccinated or lose their jobs is inherently discriminatory and perhaps even anti-freedom.

From my understanding, this is only the case for truckers crossing the border. Most of the vaccination mandates I have heard of have been at the provincial or municipal levels and only affect employees of the government or publicly controlled institutions (health, education, police). Even then, it is typically on unpaid leave. Relatively few mandates have come from Ottawa, simply because it isn't their jurisdiction. They aren't leaving much room for human rights complaints, particularly since I believe employers were already within their rights to demand certain vaccinations. I very much doubt that it would even qualify as discriminatory, since it does not affect protected classes.

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