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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by astura »

Pxtl wrote: post #480
summerlight wrote: post #263

As usual, HN users are making lots of interesting assumptions (some comments to a conspiracy level) on the intention here... But in the reality, there are many smaller creators who is frequently being harassed by trolls (have you heard about those young Chinese patriots trolling over Korean and Japanese channels?) and one of their tool is the dislike button. And creators have been complaining about this for many year…

Seriously, the level of conspiracy-theory replies to this post is shocking. Like, this is below-reddit-level discourse. This is borderline Q stuff. And I know HN has moderation because I've been told off for flamewars. What gives?

Hacker News has been like this for a while now, maybe a little less than a year, and it's getting rapidly worse every day. I've found myself spending significantly less time here as a result, hacker news seems like it's not for me anymore.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by rgrs »

simias wrote: post #734
nickjj wrote: post #67

Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

I always found this information rather useless myself, so I don't see it as a huge deal. More often that not when I see a video with tons of dislike it's because it's been brigaded by an adversarial community and not really an indicator of the value of the content. In my experience it's more of a "controversial opinion" indicator than a "bad video" indicator. >There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds tha…

> brigaded by adversial community

Not necessarily. There are other cases where consumers could use dislike as form of brand boycott

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by uejfiweun »

ddingus wrote: post #785

Hiding the dislike info on POTUS seems important now. Hiding the dislike info on CNN seems important now. Public trust in government is low. Public trust in corporate media is low. It's been policy to manufacture consent in the US for quite a while now. Hard to say this move isn't more of the same, and it's equally hard to say it helps more than it hurts too.

Yeah, this is pretty obvious. The government is getting very unpopular right now, just take a look at the like/dislike ratios for any vaccine related announcements or inflation related announcements. They are just gonna shut the whole party down if they can't spin it the way they want. Very authoritarian. It's not a huge change, but these things happen bit by bit - the US is slowly converging with China.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by imajoredinecon »

registeredcorn wrote: post #552
Nition wrote: post #536

I went back to look at when they first changed from star ratings to like/dislike, and it seems like they were thinking about going even further and removing the dislike option entirely even back then. They made some comments[1] before that change: > Seems like when it comes to ratings it's pretty much all or nothing. Great videos prompt action; anything less prompts indifference. Thus, the ratings system is primarily…

I'm still disappointed that they removed that feature. The star rating was superior.

At least in my personal observation, it seems like star ratings elsewhere on the internet (I'm thinking particularly of Airbnb and Google Maps reviews) are probably pretty close to bimodal: by and large, people essentially use five stars as a "like" button and one star as a "dislike." Assuming this is the case, a rating of 4.8 stars is essentially a way of saying "95% liked this": why not just strip out the extra abstraction and complexity and instead use a simpler like/dislike model, just like that YT blog post argues?

Of course, there are other situations where ratings between 1 and 5 stars _are_ informative: think critic reviews of movies, video, etc. But I think most crowdsourced reviews have kind of converged organically to a like/dislike model.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by lostgame »

uejfiweun wrote: post #805
ddingus wrote: post #785

Hiding the dislike info on POTUS seems important now. Hiding the dislike info on CNN seems important now. Public trust in government is low. Public trust in corporate media is low. It's been policy to manufacture consent in the US for quite a while now. Hard to say this move isn't more of the same, and it's equally hard to say it helps more than it hurts too.

Yeah, this is pretty obvious. The government is getting very unpopular right now, just take a look at the like/dislike ratios for any vaccine related announcements or inflation related announcements. They are just gonna shut the whole party down if they can't spin it the way they want. Very authoritarian. It's not a huge change, but these things happen bit by bit - the US is slowly converging with China.

Wow. Crazy people still exist on HN. Good reminder.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Post by akersten »

hstan4 wrote: post #686

> Creators: You’ll still be able to find your exact dislike counts in YouTube Studio for each video–only if you’d like to. What creator that wants to produce high quality content wouldn’t want to see how their videos are performing? Total lunacy. All this in response to “dislike attacks” which are likely extremely uncommon. > it’s an important step to reduce behavior that aims to silence and harass creators Can someo…

> pushing a button that says you dislike the content is silencing or harassing the creator?

Part of the toxic positivity movement recently has been to re-frame everything disagreeable as a personal attack against them, using words like "silence" and "invalidate" to manufacture outrage. It's concerning to see this terminology permeate into corporate lingo now too...

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