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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by deanCommie »

Areibman wrote: post #66

It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

I love how 99% of this thread is HackerNews comments about how free speech must be maintained and blah blah blah cancel culture.

Then those same people are clutching their pearls about "America Deserved 9/11"

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

dionian wrote: post #776
7sidedmarble wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police literally were interviewed and said 'they were confiscating guns all day'.

And they didn't press charges? It's not legal to have guns in DC in public, i thought...

They did. (just up-thread someone posted an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26733935 )

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by nfyjkbxa »

aigen001 wrote: post #727
nfyjkbxa wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Organized, it says right there. You think that mob was organized? There was no plan Also, your CNN citation says in the headline that there was a gun found, but then the body of the article contradicts it > Some of the weapons that were confiscated had been seen being used inside the US Capitol including a baseball bat, a fire extinguisher, a wooden club, a spear, crutches, a flagpole, bear spray, mace, chemical irri…

Here's your gun. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/13...

Ok, sure, this guy was picked up after the riot in a mass arrest[0]

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1351686/downl...

That's one unused firearm. I guess you got me! It was a coup!

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by wslack »

JamesBarney wrote: post #795
ngokevin wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

If they actually committed any of those crimes you don't need to cancel them because prison doesn't let you stream.

Not if the evidence for such things isn't admissible. (like certain types of recordings)

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

dionian wrote: post #780
jimbob45 wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You asked a well-considered question and got a stupid response. What a waste. My definition would be rioting, specifically using escalating violence until success, to attempt to coerce a system into passing laws that it would not otherwise have passed or wanted to pass (up to and including deposing the leader). I feel like my view loosely fits the Capitol riot, heavily fits the BLM riots, and heavily fits the 1776 in…

The footage of the people that actually got into the Senate seems to disprove this painting of the events. I didn't see anyone attempting to abolish the government or whatever. Rather, it was a few people taking pictures and standing around. I dont support them but I'm not going to lie about the footage and claim it was anything close to an unarmed insurrection

See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

staticman2 wrote: post #575
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #490

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You're fine with preventing KKK members from buying food? You would literally have them starve to death? And you're fine with private corporations making decisions on who has the right to live and who doesn't? Personally, I value human rights. I think even KKK members have the right to live.

A KKK member could presumably still buy food if banned from a grocery store for preaching hate speech at the grocery store, they would just have to hire someone to do the shopping for them. In America there is no right to food or shelter so I don't know why this concern is raised in a discussion of free speech?

> In America there is no right to food or shelter

Yes, there definitely is. Food and shelter are vital to life. I seem to recall something about life liberty and happiness in some obscure little read part of the constitution. Let me know if you see it on a re-read.

(Please don’t go off and try and claim that rights are things anyone else has to provide)

Aside from the obvious issues with banning someone from buying food for having the wrong thoughts - which I should just be able to end right there because how insane is that!? - there are points to be made about:

- protected classes and not needing them all enumerated before you are forced to treat people well even if they are mean

- ethically not being a fascist that would block people from buying food for disagreeing with them, and congrats, this is actual fascism

- generally just minding your own fucking business about how wrong someone is and being able to separate even awful beliefs from participation in other aspects of society

- and most importantly not short-sightedly canceling people because tomorrow it might be you that has the unpopular idea, as unbelievable as I’m sure you could find that

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by echelon »

mdoms wrote: post #418
Pfhreak wrote: post #135

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To be clear, the controversial political opinions you believe should be platformed by Twitch are: "If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing." and "America Deserved 9/11"? Because those are the literal quotes from things that got people pulled from Twitch and you've labelled "controversial politica…

Well, yes, these are controversial opinions. If they make you feel uncomfortable, that's fine - controversy does that. If you think anything that makes you feel uncomfortable should be illegal to say, then maybe you just don't care about free speech.

A vocal subset of the people that are uncomfortable are jumping to censorship as a means to solve problems. Both the political left and right do it. They don't want to hear opposing ideas, and they're increasingly trying to tune it out, ban, and delete it.

This is not healthy for a functioning democracy or individual liberty and freedom.

Freedom of speech needs to remain absolute. Encroachments upon our rights endanger us all.

(Honestly, we need freedom of privacy too. I wish we could roll back the clock and install amendments to enshrine these too.)

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by throwawaysea »

Amazon wants to inflict thought control just as it does on employees engaging in lawful activities outside of work. They’re not the only ones either. We need to boycott companies that adopt such policies for either their customers or employees. Otherwise institutions, which are run by a few people and can be subverted by activist ideologues as well (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_i...), will become tyrants that control and restrict others’ thoughts and actions. We are already most of the way there. For my part, I’m stopping my use of Twitch right away and cancelling Prime.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

TeeMassive wrote: post #764
ngokevin wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Terrorist activities, child sexual exploitation, violent extremism, credible threats of mass violence, carrying out or deliberately acting as an accomplice to sexual assault" falls under moralism and cancel culture? We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. There…

> We've seen things that fester online that lead to real life tragedies or to the damaging of the fabric of democracy itself. Including insurrection on the US Capitol which took its roots on Twitter. I find your comment quite one sided and exaggerated. There was no insurrection on the Capitol because there was no guns, no widespread weapon carry, no significant violence inside and no proof of an organization to actua…

> There was no insurrection on the Capitol because there was no guns, no widespread weapon carry, no significant violence inside and no proof of an organization to actually overthrow the government was shown in the various reports and court cases.

All of these are false. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738

"No significant violence"? They murdered a police officer. And badly beat several more. Several of them are on bodycam video.

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