Has anyone called Elon Musk yet?
Is that ship still stuck?
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Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#802It will be weeks before this ship is free. Fuel and oil can be pumped out but that only makes up a fraction of the total weight of the vessel. Containers can be unloaded but again the lightest will be at the top so a significant number will need to be removed to make a big enough difference. And unloading them will be a slow process. You can maybe unload a few per hour with helicopters. There doesn't exist any infras…
How about doing nothing? Just let the canal be blocked. Go the long way. All about the journey not thw destination. Give the container owners an NFT of their missing container.
Wait for sea-level rise to do the work. According to some, it won't be more than twelve years for 3m rise.
Edward Teller: How big is Antarctica?
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#803Fun facts: 1. The owner is Japanese 2. The operator is Taiwanese 3. The flag is Panamanian 4. The cargo is Chinese 5. The insurer is British 6. The crew is Indian 7. The canal is Egyptian and was built with forced labor by the French 8. The dredgers/salvage op managers are Dutch
> The flag is Panamanian That's an interesting way to say tax evasion.
And avoiding minimum wage and maintenance requirements too.
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#804Earlier quoted context omitted.
For moving containers off the best bet would probably be heavy lift choppers, the ship is large enough you could have several working on it at once and then just drop them off nearby to be loaded onto barges or something. A huge undertaking but it any weight taken off the Evergreen is less digging they have to do and the time is so expensive. Also it's less middle of nowhere there's a pretty large airbase nearby it l…
Ha, in the late 90s/early 00s, there was some buzz in Germany about building a huge freight airship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CargoLifter They went bankrupt, which is kinda sad. It had a designed lift capacity of 160t, so could theoretically lift several containers at once, given the right harness. (Of course I have no idea if it would be have been practical to use it to unload the containers, but the idea is ce…
The fundamental problem/flaw with that was when dropping off something you needed to somehow get a dummy load to not float away. (releasing the helium is not an option due to economical reasons)
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#805Is it strange to anyone that we load ships to this capacity? Is this the standard procedure? I’m essentially wondering why this is more cost-effective than building more, smaller ships.
If you can guarantee that the ship can be routinely filled to capacity, it's almost always economical to build the biggest ship you can. These things are often built to the maximum size that will fit into the canal that they transit.
I thought I remember reading that this ship was designed to meet the Suez canal specs.
Re: Is that ship still stuck?
#806Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.
... but I think we've also identified a market for a Poly Bridge style game where you try to unstuck a containers ship from the canal in increasingly absurd ways.
How soon will this be standard in SV interviews?
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#807Has anyone called Elon Musk yet?
i had to create an account to say that you made me chuckle.
Thank you very much
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#808Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are 20,000 containers on the ship. Assuming you needed to remove 1/4 of those containers to get it to rise far enough to get off of the sand, you need to move 5000 containers. Assume that it takes 5 minute to connect a bridle to a container, hook it to a helicopter, and move it...and then also assume that the helicopters can run 24/7 and never have to refuel, that they can hot swap in pilots, and that there is…
Don't forget that you need to put containers back. Same or more effort needed.
They don't have to put them back.
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#809Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's, you know, stuck. If they accidentally sink it, the cleanup will be even more messy.
I think it would be very, very difficult to sink. Quite aside from the (hopefully) large number of bulkheads and other such safety measures, the ship will be close to maximum draft for the canal and as such would only be able to sink a metre or two anyway. True, you'd then need to refloat it in situ, which would not be fun ... and it would probably just become more stuck rather than less. I think it's just going to t…
Yes, it probably wouldn’t irreparably sink or something like that. Still, specialized recovery work would take even more time. Not to mention the possibility of containers falling down.
Best to take it slow and steady.
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#810Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps the classic beached whale clearing technique [0] would work. [0] https://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34
I don't have to click that to know what it is.
If you haven't seen it, this is a remastered version and much better than the ones I remember watching ~20 years ago.