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Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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The #1 thing is it led to an elegant notion of how to compare intelligence (or rather, a parametrized family of intelligence comparators). There's a theorem called Arrow's Theorem, which basically says there's no good way to decide elections between more than 2 candidates. There are a handful of requirements an election-deciding method should have, and no method satisfies all those requirements. But Arrow's theorem h…

Taking their characterization, a definition for relative intelligence is immediate--it writes itself A definition, but not a concrete and practical way of determining the relative difference between two agents? Come on, bring this into reality. We're mostly a bunch of coders here. Stop talking about ultrafilters , concepts that are complex and thus render those of us not familiar with them unable to understand what y…

The paper isn't intended to be a manual for how to practically compare agents. It will indirectly help there, I hope, by making people realize that they're looking at an election problem, and that there's a big existing literature on that subject. So in the practical case, say you have 10 different benchmarks, and some agents perform better at some of them, and others perform better at others. You could approach the problem from scratch, but it would be helpful for you to realize "oh this is an election with 10 voters and people have been studying how to decide elections for hundreds of years, I probably shouldn't reinvent the wheel". For example, it might take you many ages to essentially rediscover the Condorcet paradox and you might put inordinate effort into futilely trying to "solve" that paradox. Or you could stand on the shoulders of giants and avoid all that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_paradox

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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We should begin by giving a clear definition of AGI. I’m talking about an unambiguous universally accepted definition akin to defining what a “continuous function” is. Until that point this is merely an argument about words, to paraphrase John Locke.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Technically, a human can't draw a human. A human can only draw something that looks like a human to another human . The human viewer is doing most of the work by imagining that the drawn human is real (or by recalling the real human suggested by the drawing). As an example, consider all of these ASCII stick figures: http://www.ascii-art.de/ascii/s/stickman.txt Clearly, it isn't necessary to deeply comprehend the esse…

The philosophical musings about what it means to "draw a human" are pedantic and really not relevant. My point is that "dog cannot do dog-related task" does not imply or even suggest that "human cannot do human-related task". It's pseudo-logic of the sort that is unfortunately often very convincing to people.

They are relevant because you used "draw a human" to prove something wrong. If mine was irrelevant, so was yours.

The reason "dog brain can't design an artificial dog brain" is a useful contribution is that it gives people an intuitive understanding of a complex truth: things can't fully model themselves. Dogs can't fully understand dogs. People can't fully understand people.

It's plausible to me that humans can evolve something akin to AGI. It's also plausible to me that a vast number of humans working together will manage to stumble into creating AGI. But I see no reason to think that humans have the intellectual capacity to understand a human-level mind well enough to build one intentionally.

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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I recently "retired" to do the same, and logic here is - there is no harm in trying, if you have resources (of course, he has magnitudes more). You can get up to date in the field in under half a year of extensive reading. And many of those scientists are too busy solving more specific goals, that their labs set. I doubt there are more than 1,000 researchers in the world specifically working on AGI.

“_Specifically_ working on Artificial _General_ Intelligence” is a bit like “As a physics major I’ve decided to specialise in physics.”

Not sure where is your analogy applicable. There are lots of people doing image recognition, voice recognition, NLP. None of it on its own relates that much to reinforcement learning and multitask solving. In fact in the last year I saw only a few papers trying to do nearly all of the above with a single NN.

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Please take this as nothing more than my subjective opinion: I believe that humans don't have GI but HI - we have a "world-view" that is very idiosyncratic to being human, which is essentially heuristics all the way down - in other words, I don't believe there is a magical novel concept that explains HI, but that it is a collection of party tricks that evolved over time, i.e. hacky engineered system.

Yeah I believe in this too. It's not exactly politically correct to say so for a number of reasons, but if you listen carefully to some public intellectuals, behind the scenes they believe the same. For instance, noam chomsky will talk about how the ability for humans to speak language is hard coded. That if we really were some piece of clay to be molded, noone would be able to run their own life.

IMO he's wrong about at least the importance of it, you can point to many tasks that are clearly not hard coded because they are recent inventions yet are difficult for a general AI (with zero task specific architecture) to perform, e.g. driving, playing jazz piano, playing any video game, doing advanced mathematics. Either language is much harder than all of these things (I think that's wrong) or all of these things require language capacity (in which case it's just another form of 'language = thought').

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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well, "kill" becomes moot if the code is preserved. Like "killing" another player in a multi-player game. You're not actually killing them.

This may be a clunky analogy, but is this fundamentally different than a killing a human as long as we keep a record of their DNA sequence? Maintaining the information doesn't seem enough to negate snuffing out the execution of that information

Not if we persist the state of the mind before we turn them off. Can't do that with humans

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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I actually don't think mastering deep learning is very difficult. Theres a gazillion papers and ideas floating around, but the core concepts, that actually work, things like batch normalization, gradient descent, dropout, etc are all relatively simple. Most of the complexity comes from second rate scientists pushing their flawed research out into the public in some form of a status game

For anyone unfamiliar with all but the most trivial details, do you have some good papers to recommend, to save us from wading through all the rest?

You can start here: https://github.com/terryum/awesome-deep-learning-papers

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic about the "something silly" part, but do you have any examples of any games (indie, commercial or academic) that let you meaningfully impact the game world? I think they don't exist because it's an exceptionally difficult problem, even for games with lo-fi graphics or text only. I've found it hard to find any AI projects that generate stories or plots that are remotely compellin…

Minecraft is successful precisely because you can meaningfully impact the game world.

Minecraft doesn't have an overarching story or complex NPCs though.

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I would like to block facebook but I'm on debian. Last thing I tried to block was reddit through /etc/hosts and it didn't work.

I have facebook main site and its CDNs blocked in uBlock. Works good for me, but I only use PCs to browse the web, so no idea how to go about blocking it if one uses mobile devices at home. Possibly a DNS caching server like `unbound` can help?

You can use the same method with uBlock on Firefox Android. For iOS I don't know any way.
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