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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by murukesh_s »

dylan604 wrote: post #638
murukesh_s wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be surprised. I am using Bing alone for over a year and had to use google for 2-3 cases at max. Agreed google sometimes return different results, but you cannot say it's better, especially if you are used to seeing Bing results. I would suggest you try Bing for a month and go to google if you cannot absolutely find anything in Bing.

What kind of queries with Bing (or DDG for other users) gives results that suggest you need to switch to Google?

Programming queries, that too only occassionally. And also recently I had an issue with my MacBook Pro and Google showed the more forum answers and more accurately.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by blotter_paper »

burky wrote: post #760
nofunsir wrote: post #758

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https://www.searx.me/

I just tried this and got an error that says "Error! -search error" when searching for the term "angular directives". Not very compelling.

I just tried this same search in Chrome mobile, with and without quotes, and didn't encounter this error. Not doubting you, just adding a data point.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by shermozle »

ux-app wrote: post #62
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Snowplow for analytics

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by anticensor »

neolefty wrote: post #535

Technically, it does remove the cookies. And then instantly you get new ones, from being logged in to your G account at the browser level.

This is worse than not removing them as your bandwith cap would drain.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by esrauch »

braythwayt wrote: post #273
esrauch wrote: post #264

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I don't feel like it is reasonable to draw a direct analogy between Nazis and implementing browser level account logins.

The decades I was thinking about referred to the business of tobacco companies. I was very much alive while public opinion swang against them, and I recall lively debate about the ethics of working for tobacco companies, the loss of tax revenue from tobacco companies, the ethics of tobacco companies sponsoring sport, and so on. As for the Nazis, there are some parallels, just as there are for other social problems li…

I meant the quote on "just following orders" which is specifically the Nuremberg Defence.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Fnoord »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #716
Fnoord wrote: post #545

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"Luck" is a BS excuse, including in said argument

...they don't literally mean "luck", except to express that there is variance. They're using the word to mean bad results , happening more often in ex-google employees. And that's not BS at all.

They don't have to use the word or mention it at all because bad results are already implied by the context. The reader already gathers as much.

Mentioning the word luck draws it in a different light, as if next time the odds might be on their end. Luck is meaningless if there's enough skill. Its an overused (if not downright abused) word.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by close04 »

llukas wrote: post #694
close04 wrote: post #681

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That may be but the comparison is obviously a shock and awe type exaggeration. By virtue of Nazis being people that also did normal things you could bring it up in any discussion. But would you? Would you tell someone encouraging "the troops" that they're no different from Nazi supporters? It's the exaggeration that's the problem here. The same kind of exaggeration you hear when certain politicians scream "you are pr…

> also being people also doing normal things If you are cog in a machine then you still responsible for final outcome even if you only did "normal things". Read book referenced below, maybe you'll change your mind and refrain from such comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18067690 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25530963-soldiers

@braythwayt considered an engineer following orders to implement an unethical (illegal?) "feature" is directly comparable to Nazis following orders to commit genocide. Even in principle. But...

The Nuremberg Principles define War Crimes. It's quite literally what they're for. Do you not understand this massive difference? All laws take magnitude into consideration. Look at the jurisprudence. It's all related to acts far above what's being discussed here. But if you really really want to draw the parallel between a "regular" act and a the kind of crimes that see this principle applied then keep this in mind [0]:

> An individual must be involved at the policy-making level to be culpable for a crime against peace ... the ordinary foot soldier is not expected to make his or her own personal assessment as to the legality of a conflict. Similarly, such an individual cannot be held criminally responsible for fighting in support of an illegal war, assuming that his or her personal war-time conduct is otherwise proper

You're both conveniently ignoring the fact that this defense was attempted mostly by generals, captains, field marshals. Foot soldiers were never on the same footing as the superiors. Not in the execution of their duties, not in taking responsibility.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders#Legal_proceedi...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pvorb »

justaman wrote: post #390
jstanley wrote: post #376

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I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and don't feel like my life is worse for it. It really is good enough. And when you also factor in that you're not helping Google build a profile on you, it's better than Google.

I first tried DDG years ago. It really wasn't great. The results and astetics were not up to snuff. I went back to google. About a year ago I decided to try DDG again. I've been using DDG ever since. Maybe once a month I'll google something. I use chrome only for google products like gmail.

How could DDG ever be as good as Google, which has a profile of large parts of your search history (even if you're not signed in)?

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Post by SllX »

Shank wrote: post #779
SllX wrote: post #772

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Just to chime in, I’ve found Spotlight on iOS to cover about 85% of my needs. It uses Bing for web results, but I often don’t even need the web results. Everything else I just invoke DuckDuckGo or Startpage.

Spotlight on iOS actually sources data from Google now. See: https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-t...

I actually missed this, that said the pertinent details that would concern me and others like me are covered right here:

> As is expected with Apple now, searches and results are all encrypted and anonymized and cannot be attributed to any individual user. Once you click on the ‘Show Google results’ link, of course, you’re off to Google and its standard tracking will apply. Clicking directly on a website result will take you straight there, not through Google.

In effect, this is much like using Startpage instead of google.com, at least up until you load a full results page (which I actually haven't done in quite a long time now that I think about it).

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by llukas »

close04 wrote: post #807
llukas wrote: post #694

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> also being people also doing normal things If you are cog in a machine then you still responsible for final outcome even if you only did "normal things". Read book referenced below, maybe you'll change your mind and refrain from such comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18067690 https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25530963-soldiers

@braythwayt considered an engineer following orders to implement an unethical (illegal?) "feature" is directly comparable to Nazis following orders to commit genocide. Even in principle. But... The Nuremberg Principles define War Crimes . It's quite literally what they're for. Do you not understand this massive difference? All laws take magnitude into consideration. Look at the jurisprudence. It's all related to acts…

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