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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by wolco »

platinium wrote: post #759
morganvachon wrote: post #743

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> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

Honestly, does using Google even matter anymore unless you are trying to search for something extremely obscure? Most of the time, my searches are directly for products (ie, Amazon.com, Target.com, Walmart.com), people (ie fb.com), Wikipedia (first few hits on Google), locations (yelp.com, Google maps, ___ maps), recommendations (yelp.com, etc), hotels or travel (expedia.com, kayak.com, hotwire.com, united.com, south…

You are introducing a concept worse than google not deleting cookies. Limiting the web to a handful of sites kills the concept of the web. I would suggest spending as much time out of the top 20 popular sites as possible. Diversity is key.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by SllX »

morganvachon wrote: post #743
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

Just to chime in, I’ve found Spotlight on iOS to cover about 85% of my needs. It uses Bing for web results, but I often don’t even need the web results.

Everything else I just invoke DuckDuckGo or Startpage.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by snaky »

JulienSchmidt wrote: post #440
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #412

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What's the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don't need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious player…

Android (the Android Open Source Project) itself is not the Problem. It's the lock-in ecosystem that Google tries to establish with the Google Services Framework, Play Store and the like. What is missing, is an open and privacy-friendly alternative to GSF. Without GSF we don't have efficient push notifications (Firebase Cloud Messaging), a geolocation provider, a maps API etc. Personally, I have been using microG ( h…

> Without GSF we don't have efficient push notifications

"How Tutanota replaced Google’s FCM with their own notification system (f-droid.org)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17945116

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by flukus »

johnmw wrote: post #755
Pxtl wrote: post #565

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I assume this is the engineering at work. "Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same". "Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear" "Ugh, let's just notify the u…

Furthermore, I see all this anger about this technical decision affecting peoples privacy, but have not yet seen someone provide a good engineering solution to the problem it was trying to solve. Example Use Case: I was contacted by my poor old mother recently who said that she was logged into "The Google" but was seeing the wrong emails! She was horribly confused. What had happened was that my sister had checked her…

> But most importantly I'd like to hear a better engineering solution for people like my mother?

Sounds like not having to be logged into your web browser would be a good start, then you'r mother wouldn't have been confused between being logged into chrome and logged into gmail. This is a problem google created in the first place and now you're giving them credit for fixing it.

> I personally don't think it is too evil that Google cares more about people like my mother than advanced privacy conscious technical users.

They care about her so they can harvest her data and manipulate her.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by marcosdumay »

cousin_it wrote: post #527
marcosdumay wrote: post #336

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To be fair, the OP was complaining about short-term biases from management. The entire ethical discussion is pushed way over its actual relevance (really, how big an ethical flaw is not deleting a cookie? Google will identify you anyway, cookie or not). That said, about this: > and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable It looks completely backwards. Environments that…

> > and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable > It looks completely backwards. Environments that fix systemic problems are overwhelmingly on the side of not blaming individuals and looking only at the system. That's a fascinating exchange. I find myself siding more with you than with braythwayt, but still uncertain because the idea is new to me. Is there a good writeu…

I don't know of any good writeup on the side of blaming the individual. On the side of fixing the system, I think the canon would be to look at systems theory (at the more human centered flank, like Meadows). You can get to the same conclusion on administration theory from Deming and his following, or any of the X-safety groups, like work-safety, aviation-safety, nuclear-safety, etc.

What really confuses the discussion is that a well working system that deals with ethical failures does necessarily hold people personally accountable. But you can't fix it by focusing on the "holding people accountable" part, it never works. You have to focus on the "system" part.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by pedrogpimenta »

rapnie wrote: post #454
pedrogpimenta wrote: post #364

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Drop Android to... What? It seems the only option is iOS and I don't want that...

Maybe you'd like e.foundation It is in beta now, and forked from LineageOS.

Yes I am very interested in this, but still waiting for a practical release :)

Also I'd have to buy a new phone, because mine isn't compatible :(

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Post by yuhong »

IBM wrote: post #690
perfunctory wrote: post #679

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> The organization you're talking about is diametrically configured to oppose the thing you're saying they should be mindful of True. That's precisely why engineering ethics is our last hope.

It absolutely isn't. Industries are regulated because they don't naturally do what society wants. Regulation changes their incentives and behavior to make that happen. A leopard can't change its spots and an ad-tech company is never going to design their products with preserving privacy first, because they can't [1]. It's like a body rejecting an organ transplant. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_by_design

That is why I wrote the essay. The history behind that is not simple.

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Post by bscphil »

jstanley wrote: post #452
bamboozled wrote: post #430

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DDG sucks and hasn’t really improved at all. I’ve used it for a longtime but I use bangs endlessly. Unless you can provide some quantifiable metric to prove its “getting better” then it’s delusion getting the better of you. DDG uses other search engines for results (such as bing), so unless you agree Bing is improving, it’s just a placebo. DDG is only useful because we can all fall back on g!. It’s sad but true. Ther…

> Unless you can provide some quantifiable metric to prove its “getting better” then it's delusion This doesn't prove anything. Unless you can provide some metric to say it's not good, then it's delusion getting the better of you . DuckDuckGo is good enough for everyday usage, for me. It has been this way for well over a year. I never use bangs.

Indeed, DDG usually gives better results for me because it second-guesses precise search terms less than Google, and because its instant answers from sites like StackOverflow are high quality.

The one place it's really currently lacking is in rejection of spam sites.

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Post by Shank »

SllX wrote: post #772
morganvachon wrote: post #743

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> Switch to bing I've found Startpage and its sister site IxQuick to be a good alternative to Google. Same search results with a lot of detritus filtered out, keeps you out of Google's search bubble, and it has built in proxy features. Instead of Bing, which tracks you for monetization on Microsoft's behalf (though I trust Microsoft with my information more than Google), try DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as a back end but…

Just to chime in, I’ve found Spotlight on iOS to cover about 85% of my needs. It uses Bing for web results, but I often don’t even need the web results. Everything else I just invoke DuckDuckGo or Startpage.

Spotlight on iOS actually sources data from Google now. See: https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/25/apple-switches-from-bing-t...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by scintill76 »

teddyh wrote: post #228
CaptainZapp wrote: post #186

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You should be good if you're using Android without Google services, I think. That's exactly the rub. We don't really know. My Windows phone is going defunkt and the only alternative I really see is either an iPhone, or then back to a dumb phone (a 4G wifi hotspot function would be great, but I haven't found a reasonable dumb phone supporting that). I'll be damned before I carry any Android device on me.

You could always use a cleaned Google-free Android derivative OS like Replicant. See also the Librem 5 phone, which does not run Android at all.

Librem 5 hasn't shippped yet. If you preorder one now, they're estimating you'll get it in April.
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