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Re: Apple removes Civil War game from App Store until it removes Confederate flag

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 25, 2015, 7:53 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #78

ryanobjc wrote: post #65

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Not to mention a failed rebellion that was deliberately formed to protect the economic institution of slavery! Symbols are important, and for great evils people at different times have decided to ban symbols. And it's time for this one to be banned. Don't think of this as a knee jerk reaction, this has been on the tables for a century. Finally now public sentiment has turned, and savvy politicians have put the phrase…

There's a lot of interesting reading on the subject. Each state had it's own reasons for secession. Slavery was a part of each but the significance varied dramatically by state. Here's a really interesting read I found on it while all of this was going on. In South Carolina at least, it does look like the states rights side of things was a much bigger factor. http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/secession/ Rober…

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Re: Apple removes Civil War game from App Store until it removes Confederate flag

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Post by knodi123 » Thu, Jun 25, 2015, 8:39 PM UTC

ryanobjc wrote: post #60

knodi123 wrote: post #12

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you seriously think a civil war game, or a historical documentary, are practicing dog whistle politics? Just because that's a thing that occurs doesn't mean that it's everywhere it could possibly be.

Don't deflect - lets talk only about civil war game. Forget documentaries they aren't part of the argument, they are just tossed in there for lazy argumentation sakes. The issue is a game is trivially a propaganda piece and even if people are painting it as a historical thing, it is also a contemporary piece of art that speaks to people in different languages depending on who is listening.

I was addressing the issue of dog whistle politics. Are you seriously saying that civil war games are being marketed intentionally to help people fantasize about successfully defending the institution of slavery? That seems a little like a paranoid conspiracy theory.

Re: Apple removes Civil War game from App Store until it removes Confederate flag

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Post by secstate » Fri, Jun 26, 2015, 2:24 AM UTC

brightball wrote: post #78

ryanobjc wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention a failed rebellion that was deliberately formed to protect the economic institution of slavery! Symbols are important, and for great evils people at different times have decided to ban symbols. And it's time for this one to be banned. Don't think of this as a knee jerk reaction, this has been on the tables for a century. Finally now public sentiment has turned, and savvy politicians have put the phrase…

There's a lot of interesting reading on the subject. Each state had it's own reasons for secession. Slavery was a part of each but the significance varied dramatically by state. Here's a really interesting read I found on it while all of this was going on. In South Carolina at least, it does look like the states rights side of things was a much bigger factor. http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/secession/ Rober…

Well shit, why are you downvoted? For linking to documents that dare to "revise" history and look for original source material to determine why the United States went to war?

Most curious in your first link is the fact that of the four states whose declarations of causes were evaluated, South Carolina used more of the document to argue for states' rights than slavery (37%, 20%).

Obviously slavery had a huge part to do with the conflict, but for a state that still had the Confederate States of America's flag over their capital, it seems their primary reason for war was to preserve their rights as a state in the union.

Re: Apple removes Civil War game from App Store until it removes Confederate flag

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Post by markbnj » Fri, Jun 26, 2015, 3:07 AM UTC

justizin wrote: post #68

markbnj wrote: post #14

Completely silly. I would like to see, just once in my life, our population respond to a tragedy with calm deliberation rather than knee-jerk reactionary tilting at windmills.

What's silly is to say that a national movement to delegitimize a racist symbol which was actually REVIVED during the civil rights movement is knee-jerk reactionary tilting at windmills. It's actually ridiculously fucking late. We have much bigger things to do to bridge racial divides but this elephant has been in the room for a while. That said, and you can read my previous comment more focused on apple's decision,…

I was specifically referring to banning the symbol in question from a game. That's the completely silly knee jerk reactionary part.

As far as "delegitimize a racist symbol" is concerned, be my guest. I have no particular love for that flag, and in fact to steal a quip from a friend of mine, the only Confederate flag that matters in my view was solid white.

But what often happens when you make a stink about symbols like this is that you simply raise their profile even higher.