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Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by jmnicolas »

ilamont wrote: post #17

If this is the work of the U.S., it sets a very bad precedent.

I don't think it is : why provoke a country that has nothing to loose in a cyber war when mostly everything in the US is dependent on the Internet ?

Look at what happened to Sony (even if NK may had nothing to do with it) and imagine what would happen if NK decided to shut down several US companies 'Sony style'.

The financial damage would be tremendous for the economy.

IMO cyber war is a bit like nuclear war : the goal is not to use it, or life can become really complicated really fast.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by hhw »

oasisbob wrote: post #51
yourad_io wrote: post #40

Trying to inform oneself about a technical matter through a mainstream news source is an exercise in frustration. Maybe my English needs work. Could someone with superior English skills to mine, please decipher the article and tell me: Is there any actual evidence of an attack? Has traffic spiked through/from NK? Or could this be them "pulling the plug"? Because the first case is: "Someone attacked NK Internet and br…

Dyn Research (née Renesys) was quoted in the article, and typically posts in-depth articles when this type of thing happens. [1] Based on the quote[2], I interpret the failure as someone attacking the routers themselves, overwhelming their control planes to the point where they can't sustain BGP sessions reliably. [1] No post from them yet, would expect it to be at http://research.dyn.com/2014/12/ if/when they do the…

If routers are being directly attacked, the router IPs can just be null routed, as they don't need to be reachable by the Internet at large to be the next hop for passing traffic between routers. Some networks use unadvertised IP space for their router point-to-point and loopback IPs for that reason. Guess it's not too surprising that North Korea doesn't have better network engineers.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by duaneb »

digikata wrote: post #53
eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

Or this could be some kind of reverse false flag operation (a soccer flop?) to give NK a platform to escalate some other negotiation point...

Or it could be an actual false flag operation by the US to instigate something.... Something is very weird about their attitude towards north korea regarding this break in.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by andreyf »

Alupis wrote: post #3

This is occurring after the hacker group who claimed the attack (Guardians of Peace), sent the FBI a letter thanking them for blaming North Korea, calling the FBI the best (sic), and linked to a youtube video that called the FBI "an idiot".[1] [1] http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/asia/north-korea-us-sony...

Is this [1] the original message? How does anyone know this was actually uploaded by the Sony hackers?

1. https://www.quickleak.org/HFgbYdfG

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by vlunkr »

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

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Post by foobarqux »

otterley wrote: post #68
kendallpark wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd really like to know how the U.S. "knows" North Korea is responsible for the attack on Sony and if there's any credible link from U.S. government to this attack of North Korea. Goodness. It could be the same organization behind both. Instigation.

The FBI's summary analysis is here: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-so...

There is essentially no useful information in that summary which could be used to draw independent conclusions.

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Post by Thaxll »

eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

You really think that NK has only a /22? Obviously they have some Chinese blocks routed to them.

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Post by eyeareque »

digikata wrote: post #53
eyeareque wrote: post #13

The public /22 (1024 IPs) that is used by North Korea is widely known now, so it is bad form to assume the US is behind this attack. Heck, a 14 year old with a few bots could take down their whole country. This outage won't hurt North Korea. At best it makes for a good head line to see the whole country offline. At worst this means that their elite citizens cannot access social networks or email outside of their coun…

Or this could be some kind of reverse false flag operation (a soccer flop?) to give NK a platform to escalate some other negotiation point...

That would be an interesting development, good point.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by Alupis »

andreyf wrote: post #84
Alupis wrote: post #3

This is occurring after the hacker group who claimed the attack (Guardians of Peace), sent the FBI a letter thanking them for blaming North Korea, calling the FBI the best (sic), and linked to a youtube video that called the FBI "an idiot".[1] [1] http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/asia/north-korea-us-sony...

Is this [1] the original message? How does anyone know this was actually uploaded by the Sony hackers? 1. https://www.quickleak.org/HFgbYdfG

That appears to be the original content, but from what I've read it was posted on pastebin, so this is likely a re-post by somebody.

Re: Attack Is Suspected as North Korean Internet Collapses

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Post by sroerick »

vlunkr wrote: post #85

Is it weird to anyone else that all this "cyber warfare" is happening over the release of a movie. A comedy movie, not a documentary or propaganda film. I don't know if media has every had such an inadvertent impact on politics before. I would say it's a strange age we live in, but I think this strangeness is all from North Korea.

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