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Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by kalleboo »

hawleyal wrote: post #14
kalleboo wrote: post #5

I would love to see if they could find a multinational company WITHOUT issues like this in their supply chain - I imagine none exist. (I still support "exposé" programs like this since people need to be reminded what the actual cost of their toys are - but they should cast a broader net)

I don't know why "everyone is doing it" somehow mitigates the problem.

It absolutely doesn't, which is why I put in that disclaimer. But focusing on one company will just make people say "well Apple products are made with slave labor, so I'll buy a Samsung instead" when the Samsung stuff is made in the same factory with the same raw materials, and it solves nothing.

Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by kybernetikos »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #69
kybernetikos wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confused about these two comments. Are you both literally arguing that Google has higher standards for privacy/surveillance than its competitors and that facebook is better than its competitors for security/privacy?

Per TazeTSchnitzel's remark on Apple & McDonald's, also Facebook and Google seem to be held by public to a higher standard than other companies.

Ah, I understood that comment as saying that MacDonalds actually do have higher food sourcing standards because of the public scrutiny.

There also seems to be an implied complaint here that the public are being hypocritical, however it makes perfect sense that the larger the example, the more people would be interested in holding them to a high standard. This doesn't seem like a bad thing at all.

Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

ceejayoz wrote: post #63
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #62

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Nobody would even be commenting on this if Microsoft or some other company [were] unfairly framed. Anyway, there seems to be plenty of data that working conditions at Foxconn are harsh. https://www.google.com/search?q=foxconn+site%3Achinalaborwat... Stop defending Apple just because you are totally in love with them people...

> You wouldn't even be commenting on this if Microsoft [were] unfairly framed. Yes, I would, and that's actually one of the problematic parts of the Foxconn reporting - they make components for Microsoft and many other companies, but for some reason coverage focuses on just one of their clients, Apple. Foxconn's working conditions are indeed harsh by developed-world standards, and I'd happily pay a bit more for a pho…

Perhaps you would give your attention to this if it were Microsoft, but about 90% of the people here would not. So, my point is - if Apple, as the single most profitable venture that uses slave labor, is sacrificed for getting attention on this topic, what does it matter?

Why nitpick the journalism when there is a much larger issue at stake? Besides that - Apple is the most profitable company in the world. People look at them as an example. So, I think it's perfectly fair that journalists target them.

Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by qq66 »

sgnelson wrote: post #77
qq66 wrote: post #71

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It should make you rethink buying any electronic product whatsoever, since Apple's supply-chain audits are, though insufficient, by far the most thorough of any company (since they face the most scrutiny).

Rather, I would say, "it should make me rethink buying any electronic product _not manufactured in the US or other developed world countries that have much higher, stricter standards on labor conditions_..." Not everything is manufactured in China (though I certainly don't know of any laptops not made in China, and only a select few phones.) edit: oh, and also, my main point was "how good are those audits?"

The audits are probably pretty bad, but also probably better than the audits that less scrutinized companies do.

What consumer electronics products are manufactured in the US... not counting "final assembly" in the US where the PCBs come in fully populated from China and are screwed into the enclosure in the US?

Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by aikah »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #65
aikah wrote: post #54

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> Sleeping publicly in asian cultures is perfectly normal. So is sleeping on the job after 12 hour shifts. The issue isnt sleeping publicly but the 12 hour shift thing. Your argument is a big strawman,even the best spin doctors wouldnt dare using that argument,unless maybe those on fox news.

What is wrong with 12 hour shift? And what's up with ad hominem?

What is wrong with 16 hour shift?

Re: Apple goes to war with the BBC

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Post by hawleyal »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #48
hawleyal wrote: post #38

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They don't blame one company. They did an expose of one company. And one of the companies with arguably the most popular product.

The company who's also arguably doing the most to improve the situation. If the journalist actually cared about what was going on they would expose all offenders and highlight the worst, not expose the one who's already been exposed by several other journalists and is working to improve the situation.

My heart bleeds for the plight of Apple.
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