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Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by callahad »

bullseye wrote: post #77
jrockway wrote: post #52

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Indeed. I would not mind paying for movies, but the studios won't let me. My computer runs the wrong operating system, my HDMI cable is not the right kind, the movie isn't for sale in my country, etc., etc. OK fine, I will just download it instead. All that anti-piracy protection gave me no option but to pirate the movie. Oh, the irony. (I could "just do without", but why should I suffer for the studio's mistakes?)

I think this argument is disingenuous. We as consumers do not have any "right" to copyrighted content. If you can't watch a movie because of some distribution problem, so what? It's their loss because they've alienated a purchaser, but it still doesn't mean you are entitled to it. I am very against DRM on content I have purchased, and I've admittedly "sampled" music that I may or may not have purchased later. But I'v…

I agree. My main contention is with technology being bent to enforce compliance. Per definition, this only inconveniences legitimate consumers, since in order to pirate something at all, those measures must have been defeated.

Basically, I don't take issue with copyright law. I take issue with producers "managing" my rights for me. Tell me my rights, trust me to abide by them, and sue me for transgressions.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by eli »

cracki wrote: post #32
eli wrote: post #27

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If you don't mind using a PC as a DVD player, AnyDvd strips all that stuff out (along with region coding and most other DRM)

and then you burn the stripped video back and put it in your home theater.

Good point.

I've actually got an old Thinkpad hooked up to my TV. It works better than you might think. The dock has HDMI and it puts out a full 1080.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by narag »

jpwagner wrote: post #78
narag wrote: post #76

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I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

dude, this debate is not "going away" because it's grey. abortion at 8 months 29 days is undoubtedly murder. abortion at 8 months 28 days is undoubtedly murder. Now work backwards, when is it no longer murder?

A separate comment to explain a little more. In my country having sex with a person younger than 13 is considered rape, even with consent. If the 13th birthday is today, is it right to do it today and not yesterday? Why?

If a barman sells tobacco to someone who's just turned 16 it's legal. Why wasn't it legal yesterday? Laws need this kind of hard limits. Abortion is legal in many countries within certain weeks of conception. Abortion is illegal (but not murder!!) simply before birth. Penalties are different, that's the law.

I'm very happy to have laws, even if I don't like all of them, because they're way better than someone's sense of morality.

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Post by eli »

Sapient wrote: post #67
eli wrote: post #27

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If you don't mind using a PC as a DVD player, AnyDvd strips all that stuff out (along with region coding and most other DRM)

A program which is itself illegal...?

It might be illegal in the US thanks to the DMCA (I'm not sure, and I'm not a lawyer), but it really shouldn't be. It's an unjust law.

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Post by Raphael_Amiard »

narag wrote: post #76
boredguy8 wrote: post #60

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I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

I get what you're after, but the connection between abortion and file sharing is a very bad one

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Post by boredguy8 »

narag wrote: post #76
boredguy8 wrote: post #60

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I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

So taking software, music, books, movies, and other things without paying for them isn't theft? Is anything that can be represented as binary data free from ownership? Or only the things you want? Why is taking a car theft? Because it's physical? Care to justify that metaphysical distinction?

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by narag »

boredguy8 wrote: post #86
narag wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

So taking software, music, books, movies, and other things without paying for them isn't theft? Is anything that can be represented as binary data free from ownership? Or only the things you want? Why is taking a car theft? Because it's physical? Care to justify that metaphysical distinction?

It's a legal distinction. Laws say that they're different.

Also there's a number of material differences that justify that different treatment.

Theft removes the object from someone. Copyright infringement does not.

Theft (as tipified in my country, opposed to "hurto" or "apropiación indebida", sorry don't know how to translate those) means certain quantity, violence on persons or things.

Even if the same laws were applied to digital content, there would be impossible to convict anybody without specific laws, because taking something from someone without violence, dameges and not depriving the owner would amount as a small fine, not worth the legal costs.

There is a concept in penal law over here that's called "punibility". The idea is that certain behaviours can't be controlled using criminal law because it's impossible to keep an eye on everybody: "behaviour that's socially accepted". If you need a policeman on every citizen, that also needs to enter your home to see if you're acting bad... then it's a bad idea to criminalize. The punishment isn't uniformly applied so it's even more unjust.

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Post by narag »

Raphael_Amiard wrote: post #85
narag wrote: post #76

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I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

I get what you're after, but the connection between abortion and file sharing is a very bad one

My point is that both behaviours are misrepresented by the persons that oppose to them. Calling someone "copyright infractor" doesn't sound like an insult. "Thieve" is incorrect, but sounds more dramatic. With abortion happens the same thing.

It doesn't mean that abortion and file sharing are connected in any other way.

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Post by paul9290 »

Any US citizens use Pirate Bay less? I applaud them for forcing media's hand which prompted great sites like Hulu and Justin.TV(lol - best of the bunch). It maybe time to throw in the towel; downloading no longer cuts it for me, prefer streaming.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

narag wrote: post #76
boredguy8 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

Abortion is murder because it purposefully denies the baby their life. Copyright is not theft because it does not deny the creator access to and full enjoyment of their creation [though it's probably possible to construct some situation in which it does?].

Whether you believe the murder of the child is justified is a separate question. But even if you believe copyright infringement is wrong someone doing it will not stop the original creator from have access to their [original] copy.

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