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Talking about university loans, let's take a minute to share and contemplate the awesome system I've discovered in Australia: You can borrow money from the govt for your studies. The interest rate is only equal to the Consumer Price Index. You repay your debt through taxes after you start working, and your taxes are capped to something like 45% of your income. Which means, if your studies don't land you a good job, y…

Absolutely, I personally think it's one of the best things about the country. After living and working for a year and a half in the US, and 7 years in Canada, I've seen first hand the impact of charging for university, and how it impacts people lives for decades. I met tons of people that chose not to go to university simply because they couldn't afford it. I was shocked and saddened that happens in developed countri…

> Are people in Australia seriously talking about getting him removed?

No.

The political climate in Australia has seriously deteriorated over the last decade and much political discourse is now indistinguishable from hysteria. The criticism being leveled at the Abbott government from progressives is very, very similar to what conservatives were saying about the Rudd/Gillard governments of the last 6 years - they're destroying the country, they don't represent the people, etc. Since the Internet is, in general, a more progressive place you're being exposed to a lot more of this hysteria than you would've been previously.[0]

> Does anyone even know what the process is in Australia to remove a Prime Minister?

The proper, established process is a Federal election. They happen every three years, and they give the electorate an opportunity to renew a government's mandate or to remove them from office as they see fit. At the last election, Tony Abbott was selected to be Prime Minister. He may or may not survive the next election, we shall see.

The new attitude in Australian politics of "I don't like this government - they should be summarily sacked" is despicable and anti-democratic. It seems to have infected both progressives and conservatives alike. It shows a complete lack of respect for the democratic process when one side decides that - since they don't like the new government's policies - they will simply ignore the fact that the government was duly and lawfully elected by the people. The dismissal of a government[1] is an extraordinary event that should only take place under extraordinary circumstances. The current circumstances are not extraordinary - progressives don't like a conservative government, what a surprise.

I don't agree with a lot of Mr. Abbott's policies, but as the Prime Minister of the country he should be afforded some respect. I will happily voice my disagreement with him, but I will not call for him to be dismissed. I will wait until the next Federal election and exercise my democratic rights then.

[0] Although it's an unpopular opinion, the conservatives had more reason to call for the Gillard Government's removal, as the hung parliament really placed the legitimacy of her mandate in question. Nonetheless, I think these types of criticisms are silly and hysterical coming from both sides.

[1] As another commenter mentioned, the Governor-General can dismiss the Government and trigger an election. This has only happened once, when the Whitlam Government was unable to pass supply bills through the Senate. This resulted in something similar to the US government shutdown that was experienced recently. This was a dark day in Australian politics and not something we should be eager to repeat - certainly not when the government is functioning (even if what it is doing is not particularly popular). "Well may we say 'God save the Queen' - because nothing will save the Governor General."

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Agreed - after watching John Oliver's piece on student debt in America I'm pretty convinced that Australia's system is fine. Tony Abbott's only issue was introducing deregulated fees at the same time that he cut funding to universities. The latter is what's really causing the issues sa far as I can see. By the way, the way it works is pretty much that you have to reach an income threshold before you need to start pay…

Simply not having the American system doesn't default to 'fine.' Besides, Australian education is now well on its way to a similar system.

> Simply not having the American system doesn't default to 'fine.'

Interestingly, that's the worst thing about Canada. Everyone just aims for "better than America", which is still a very low bar by Developed Country standards.

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Prime Minister Abbott needs to whip up hysteria and panic to try to distract people from his government's incredibly poor performance and disastrous budget. A nice solid war along with deep fear mongering should regain control of the media message. I simply don't believe we are under threat of attack from knife wielding beheading terrorists. The poor kid who died the other day was probably just mentally ill but its t…

> no longer getting a fibre to the home national broadband network because that was too expensive According to various leaked reports: http://www.themercury.com.au/nbn-co-tears-faster-cheaper-ftt... the all-fibre option might actually be cheaper than the proposed Multi-Technology-Mix that the government are building but they're simply too dogmatic to listen to their own internal reporting . Insert your preferred cons…

The most likely and at the same time most scary option is intellectual dogfooding. They repeated their dogmatic stance so often that they have started believing in it.

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Prime Minister Abbott needs to whip up hysteria and panic to try to distract people from his government's incredibly poor performance and disastrous budget. A nice solid war along with deep fear mongering should regain control of the media message. I simply don't believe we are under threat of attack from knife wielding beheading terrorists. The poor kid who died the other day was probably just mentally ill but its t…

> no longer getting a fibre to the home national broadband network because that was too expensive According to various leaked reports: http://www.themercury.com.au/nbn-co-tears-faster-cheaper-ftt... the all-fibre option might actually be cheaper than the proposed Multi-Technology-Mix that the government are building but they're simply too dogmatic to listen to their own internal reporting . Insert your preferred cons…

No, but you see, the document about the extremely successful trial that was produced internally at NBN Co and validated the old management's announced design improvements resulting in cost savings wasn't signed off by the new board.

So, of course, no trial must have happened!

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I don't think there has ever been a "Terrorist" attack in Australia that has targeted "White Australians". I make that qualification based on the fact that a number of foreign embassies have been attacked within Australia, but that is quite a different thing. How was the stabbing "terrorist-linked?" And how is people travelling to the middle east (even to fight), terorrist linked?

Would you classify the Russell St Bombing as terrorism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Street_Bombing Edit: or maybe the Sydney Hilton bombing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_Hotel_bombing

So you found the 2 events that are different. Total death toll: 4 people (not to trivialise their deaths).

Neither of those times did we raise a 'threat level' (it is difficult to see if there was even a 'threat level'). So actual bombs going off in our streets don't cause panic. But crazed (brown) teenagers in police stations... Quick call the SAS!

There is something very off here.

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> it still transfers more responsibility to the student than subsidizing education to make it free Nothing can be made free by subsidizing it. The cost is hidden, but it's certainly still there. When a government subsidizes something, it's just transferring wealth from some people to others. The end result is much worse, because no one uses other people's money in a prudent way, and no one knows what the best use for…

So, you are arguing for K to 12 education to be private? And you are arguing for public health systems outside of the US to adopt the US model which is much more expensive with no demonstrated better outcome for the general population?

I'm advocating for everything to be private. But not advocating for the US system, which is far from a free market.

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> it still transfers more responsibility to the student than subsidizing education to make it free Nothing can be made free by subsidizing it. The cost is hidden, but it's certainly still there. When a government subsidizes something, it's just transferring wealth from some people to others. The end result is much worse, because no one uses other people's money in a prudent way, and no one knows what the best use for…

You're correct, but I believe you have been downvoted because instead of quoting general economist mottos about the misuse of public money, you could have cited factual examples. In fact in my (free) French engineering school, I know quite a minority of people who intended to become actors, musicians, sound technicians, travellers... (and succeeded). As much as I like the idea that artists have a knowledge of how the…

> I believe you have been downvoted because instead of quoting general economist mottos about the misuse of public money, you could have cited factual examples.

I just presented some obviously factual statements. Would you demand an example if I said there's no such thing as a round rectangle?

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