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Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by marcus »

yubrew wrote: post #79
marcus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with building a complete solution is that it usually requires a lot of investment and domain specific knowledge. Having a better algorithm offsets a lot of it but I am not sure I could write a better CAD (computer assisted diagnosis) software on my own in a reasonable time frame that will outperform the market leaders even if using their data I can improve their results by 50%. There is just too much scie…

Subject matter expertise can be hired, as employees, or as advisors to your company. For this type of start up, you not only need a team to build out the product end users will ultimately use (an expensive endeavor in and of itself), but you also need to gain credibility from experts and get published before doctors will look at your stuff.

I was hoping to avoid all the hassle by sticking to my core competency of artificial intelligence doing a co-venture with some established players in the fields and help them improve their results. I know that the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" is not true but I was hoping that at least the world will meet me half way...

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by yubrew »

marcus wrote: post #81
yubrew wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Subject matter expertise can be hired, as employees, or as advisors to your company. For this type of start up, you not only need a team to build out the product end users will ultimately use (an expensive endeavor in and of itself), but you also need to gain credibility from experts and get published before doctors will look at your stuff.

I was hoping to avoid all the hassle by sticking to my core competency of artificial intelligence doing a co-venture with some established players in the fields and help them improve their results. I know that the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" is not true but I was hoping that at least the world will meet me half way...

I see. How about creating a public API (like someone else suggested) so we can see what it does, and then have a couple guys shop it around for you as you get validation studies going?

Then you give people enough to get enticed, but don't give everything away. You can then pursue multiple applications with a parallel effort.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by zyroth »

marcus wrote: post #28
zyroth wrote: post #25

I don't believe you.

Challenge me. Select a dataset send me the training data and I'll send you my results so you can verify it... I don't mind being tested.

There are a lot of different fields in ML. I don't believe that you have an algorithm that beats all algorithms out there , even if those are specialized on a specific setting.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by oPerrin »

marcus wrote: post #55
hhm wrote: post #49

Who are you? Maybe you can't speak a lot about your discovering, but you can at least tell what your name is and how you got to this?

My name is Avi Marcus, I am a 29 year old, semi retired (sold my previous startup ) hacker from Israel. Started programming at 8, started CS in college when I was 13. Flunked out because I was bored at 15. Always been interested in artificial intelligence, but a year and a half ago I read a book on the way the human brain works and suddenly I had a vision of something programmers missed in all of the machine learning…

Sounds like you read: "On Intelligence" - if so, cool, if not do so. Then do this:

break CAPTCHA

There are plenty of people who will pay for that, and a successful implementation of Hawkins/George system will be able to do so.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by greendestiny »

marcus wrote: post #74
pcowans wrote: post #58

Can you give any specific examples (references to academic papers) you've already tested it on and shown an improvement - no need to give details if you don't feel you can, but it would be interesting to know which tests you've done and against which existing algorithms.

KDD 2006 cup http://www.cs.unm.edu/kdd_cup_2006 My algorithm scored 2.043 19 on tasks 1 & 2 Top 3 places 1: 1.35 1.28 1.27 Top 3 places 2: 13.58 13.56 13.44 Note these scores represent 5 different teams.

No doubt the siemens medical solutions people would be interested in talking with you further. The KDD 2006 training and results data have now been released, so its not really a great demonstration.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by ivankirigin »

brent wrote: post #69
ivankirigin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any information at all to base your comment on?

Do you have any information of anyone algorithmically outperforming the market enough to make them personally billionaires?

I've heard anecdotes from multiple sources that there are groups of software engineers and algorithm designers buried deep inside all the major firms that are doing just this. I know those firms manage and create hundreds of billions of dollars and I've been told that the stiffest competition is in these tiny software components of the business.

But I don't mean to sound too snarky. Sorry about that. So go ahead and try to get a job at Machine Insight or another such firm to find out what they're all about. http://www.machineinsight.com/

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by basho »

My team is currently in 5th in the Netflix Prize competition. The main part of the method I'm using is pretty general (nothing specific to movies). If anyone here thinks they might have a use for this kind of thing / wants to collaborate on something, send me an email.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by richcollins »

In response to the idea that your search algorithm is better than all others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_in_search_and_opt...

In response to your question I say that it should be easy to monetize your algorithm if it is truly good at solving some class problems. Just find problems where the solutions are valuable to some group of people and sell the solutions you create.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by rms »

tx wrote: post #62
Retric wrote: post #4

Patent and publish it. CAD is not limited by the algorithm so much as a lack new problems. However, if you can generate a little buzz you can become a consultant / start a consultant company. PS: Many machine learning systems can trade off accuracy for efficiency so you might look into increasing efficiency vs. accuracy for some existing application.

This is what's wrong with our patent system. Imagine if all those great minds who came up with theorems you had to learn in 4-6 years of college decided to patent them. Math should not be patentable. It's a crime.

At least patents are only 20 years, copyright is forever.
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