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Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by jkush »

marcus wrote: post #55
hhm wrote: post #49

Who are you? Maybe you can't speak a lot about your discovering, but you can at least tell what your name is and how you got to this?

My name is Avi Marcus, I am a 29 year old, semi retired (sold my previous startup ) hacker from Israel. Started programming at 8, started CS in college when I was 13. Flunked out because I was bored at 15. Always been interested in artificial intelligence, but a year and a half ago I read a book on the way the human brain works and suddenly I had a vision of something programmers missed in all of the machine learning…

We'll all look like fools if we cry "bullshit" and you happen to be right. But we'd look like even bigger fools if we just took your word for it.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by tx »

Retric wrote: post #4

Patent and publish it. CAD is not limited by the algorithm so much as a lack new problems. However, if you can generate a little buzz you can become a consultant / start a consultant company. PS: Many machine learning systems can trade off accuracy for efficiency so you might look into increasing efficiency vs. accuracy for some existing application.

This is what's wrong with our patent system. Imagine if all those great minds who came up with theorems you had to learn in 4-6 years of college decided to patent them.

Math should not be patentable. It's a crime.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by henning »

marcus wrote: post #45
zyroth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And a bank trying to analyze if a credit card transaction is fraud or not doesn't care about the short delays either. Oh yes, they do. That I do know.

even if its in the milliseconds range?

I've taken classes from people who worked on fraud detection for banks (Fair Isaac) and they were working on legacy hardware (shitty old mainframes) with retardedly limited floating point precision.

Performance is of the essence in these situations; any clever trick you can think of to speed things up should be used in such a situation (but keep it fairly simple; lookup tables and so forth, for example).

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by henning »

johnrob wrote: post #16

Build a public web API to use your technology for a fee. Make it dead simple to incorporate AI into any application.

It's tempting to be a tool vendor, but unfortunately there are many established tool people. You don't even know the names, most likely, of all the little neural network toolkit companies that flopped in the early-mid 90s.

It's better to use a new technology to create a complete solution for people.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by hhm »

marcus wrote: post #55
hhm wrote: post #49

Who are you? Maybe you can't speak a lot about your discovering, but you can at least tell what your name is and how you got to this?

My name is Avi Marcus, I am a 29 year old, semi retired (sold my previous startup ) hacker from Israel. Started programming at 8, started CS in college when I was 13. Flunked out because I was bored at 15. Always been interested in artificial intelligence, but a year and a half ago I read a book on the way the human brain works and suddenly I had a vision of something programmers missed in all of the machine learning…

Thank you for your answer. I was curious about it, and I'm sure this info would be useful for anyone interested in contacting you.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by hhm »

jkush wrote: post #61
marcus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My name is Avi Marcus, I am a 29 year old, semi retired (sold my previous startup ) hacker from Israel. Started programming at 8, started CS in college when I was 13. Flunked out because I was bored at 15. Always been interested in artificial intelligence, but a year and a half ago I read a book on the way the human brain works and suddenly I had a vision of something programmers missed in all of the machine learning…

We'll all look like fools if we cry "bullshit" and you happen to be right. But we'd look like even bigger fools if we just took your word for it.

I think we have to do neither; if he's clever (and if he's done what he claims, he surely is) he's not trying for us to take his word for it, or for us to say he's a great genius and all that. He's just looking for a way to monetize his discovering, and I think it's right.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by zach »

marcus wrote: post #52
Hexayurt wrote: post #44

License it to game dev companies to provide better opponent AI.

I have no idea how game AIs work, I thought most of it was totally scripted to just appear intelligent. I'll need to research the field a bit.

Forget it. Modern game AI is 90% specialization to the problem domain and 10% application of algorithms. That's the breakdown of how much work is involved as well as the breakdown of what contributes to a "good" game AI.

When it comes to what middleware game AI developers want, they're far more interested in a framework that helps them organize all the domain specialization rather than improved algorithms. And game middleware is an increasingly well-trodden and difficult market. Again, forget it.

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by marcus »

henning wrote: post #64
johnrob wrote: post #16

Build a public web API to use your technology for a fee. Make it dead simple to incorporate AI into any application.

It's tempting to be a tool vendor, but unfortunately there are many established tool people. You don't even know the names, most likely, of all the little neural network toolkit companies that flopped in the early-mid 90s. It's better to use a new technology to create a complete solution for people.

The problem with building a complete solution is that it usually requires a lot of investment and domain specific knowledge. Having a better algorithm offsets a lot of it but I am not sure I could write a better CAD (computer assisted diagnosis) software on my own in a reasonable time frame that will outperform the market leaders even if using their data I can improve their results by 50%.

There is just too much science involved in feature selection etc...

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by brent »

ivankirigin wrote: post #53
pixcavator wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>...people are making way too much money to talk about it openly. Or maybe people are _wasting_ way too much money to talk about it openly.

Do you have any information at all to base your comment on?

Do you have any information of anyone algorithmically outperforming the market enough to make them personally billionaires?

Re: Ideas to monetize new artifical intelligence

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Post by pixcavator »

ivankirigin wrote: post #53
pixcavator wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>...people are making way too much money to talk about it openly. Or maybe people are _wasting_ way too much money to talk about it openly.

Do you have any information at all to base your comment on?

Fine, let me rephrase.

Or maybe people are _wasting_ way too much money to talk about it openly?

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