I'm not a big fan of TC. But this quote (from the article) gave him a +10 in my books:
"When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind," he said, "I don't consider the bloody ROI."
At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers
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#83"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…
> this group [does not deny] that climate change is occurring But their press release says > Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change. which sounds like denial to me. Would you prefer to call them "Climate Change Skeptics," the term coined by radical conservatives to attempt to paint themselves as not crazy and anti-scientific? Everyone plays the "name yourself according…
Both parties do not to seem to present any kind of evidence to their claim. At least to me Apple's impact on environment does not some anything significant that there is need to waste a lot of money optimizing it.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this group [does not deny] that climate change is occurring But their press release says > Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change. which sounds like denial to me. Would you prefer to call them "Climate Change Skeptics," the term coined by radical conservatives to attempt to paint themselves as not crazy and anti-scientific? Everyone plays the "name yourself according…
"Climate change" used to be "global warming" until that term became so strongly associated with extremists that it instantly damaged the credibility of anyone that used it. "Climate Change Skeptics" communicates the same thing as "deniers". You are missing the point. Most people agree that climate change (aka global warming) is occurring. The argument is over whether we can cause it or stop it.
No, you're wrong. "So-called" directly implies that they deny the very existence of climate change.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Investors are not panicked. I argue that a panicked investor will either: I) Sell his stock immediately. or II) Demand any information available. Since (I) is not happening on a large scale (even when it dropped in January volume was a small portion of total shares), it follows that if investors are panicked about the stock, (II) must be occuring. However, (II) is not occuring because only 2.95% of shareholders voted…
"Apple's stock price has fallen by 40% over the past six months, vaporizing almost $300 billion of market value." Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/two-charts-show-why-apple-sto...
Apple's stock did not collapse as the article predicted. In fact it partially recovered a lot of that lost value. Even if the stock had collapsed, it would not support your original claims for all the reasons I have already given. So, I have to wonder if you have a point or if you are simply trolling.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Investors are not panicked. I argue that a panicked investor will either: I) Sell his stock immediately. or II) Demand any information available. Since (I) is not happening on a large scale (even when it dropped in January volume was a small portion of total shares), it follows that if investors are panicked about the stock, (II) must be occuring. However, (II) is not occuring because only 2.95% of shareholders voted…
"Apple's stock price has fallen by 40% over the past six months, vaporizing almost $300 billion of market value." Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/two-charts-show-why-apple-sto...
That article was over a year ago. Apple's stock has appreciated about 25% since.
I don't think you have much of a point here. Apple is priced on a presumption by Mr. Market that it will never have another major product line and associated high-growth revenue stream. The price has little to nothing to do with its sustainability investments, because they have no impact on its ability to create another breakthrough. (In other words, Apple's future success is clearly not due to capital constraints. Knowledge constraints are the limit.)
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#88How much of Apple stock does NCPPR own anyway? Amusing to see that nowhere in its long whiny press release does it announce that it will divest itself of AAPL. Whatever happened to putting your money where your mouth is or voting with your feet?
These companies invest specifically so they can get stuff on the ballot at shareholder meetings and it often doesn't take very much at all. I believe it depends in part on the bylaws of a given corporation.
There's a similar group with a similar agenda who trolled GE after GE announced some kind of wind power initiative. I don't know how much stock they owned but given GE's market cap at the time, I'm sure it wasn't a lot of the company on a percentage basis...
Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers
#89I'm really sceptical and suspicious to the type of environmental policies that Apple and other companies do. The effect on global warming is near zero, possibly even negative. The decision to use green energy decreases the price of non-green energy, so other companies will buy more of it. I really don't like how unsystematic and non-transparent this approach is. A clean solution would be a tax on non-green energy. It…
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Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers
#90The reason deniers exist generally is because there's a problem they don't want to face. Another, equally fatal approach to any problem is to attempt to jump to a solution. The correct approach is to try to understand the problem better which requires thinking -- in societal terms, it means research.
So, by all means, let's tell off the deniers, expand solar and wind, reduce coal, even make lifestyle gestures -- but put the bulk of effort into researching safe nuclear power and researching geo-engineering. (Unless I'm misreading the situation, there seem to be taboos around both at present.)