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At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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Apple should disclose at least basic information about the scope of their investments. This is just common sense, and it's especially important at a time when investors are panicked about the future of the stock.

>>it's especially important at a time when investors are panicked about the future of the stock.

Correction: some investors are panicked about the future of the stock. This is my favorite cartoon that describes how those investors operate: http://imgur.com/vuDioSI

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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NCPPR demanded that Apple discontinue the programs and commit only to projects that are explicitly profitable.

The word demanded seems to be a very very strong statement. It's almost like a command. I'd be really surprised if that was really the word NCPPR used in the letter. encouraged, or suggested would be better. What power does NCPPR has over Apple to demand Apple to take action X?

To climate change deniers out there: while there is a natural part of climate change (as Sun continues to burn, the surface temperature continues to increase and eats the golden green zone between Earth and Sun and eventually will boil Earth one day), wastes produced by humans are also contributing climate eliminate changes.

And even if climate change is a scam, I'd rather to feel safer, knowing we are using clean energy than breathing air full of hazardous particles and wait for disaster to come. A lot of the changes and proposed changes to defend climate change actually makes life better. Just think about ways to protect underground subway system and electricity from flooding and securing the harbor from potential sea level rise. Use recycled papers rather than cutting down new trees all the time. Conversing water and finding new reusable energy resource to sustain the on-growing population. All these shits (excuse my Chinese here) are either directly or indirectly a result of learning about climate change and Earth sustainability. And guess what? They are new business opportunity.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

"No one, including this group, denies that climate change is occurring"

This is absolutely false. There are denialists that deny the earth is warming, there are more that deny humans have anything to do with it and then more that deny that carbon emissions are worth it and then more still that deny it's a bad thing. Many of them contend all of these points in a throw everything at the wall strategy.

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post #11

"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

Any scientist worth the oxygen they breathe all seem to be in agreement of 3 things. a) Climate change is real and happening. b) It's most definitely the impact of our utilisation of natural resources. c) That we can take measures to minimise it's effects.

[Citation Needed]

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

>They simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances.

To say this is to deny the established causes behind climate change - excess carbon emissions. I doubt the relationship is linear, but the solution is to emit less carbon emissions. This should no longer be controversial.

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Anyone interested in trying to explore the topic of climate change at NCPPR could probably apply for a summer internship in 2014 - here's a 2013 version: http://www.theihs.org/koch-summer-fellow-program/host/nation... Oh, btw: consider the source...

Yes, given the Koch brothers spent money supporting gay marriage legalization, decriminalize drugs, and repealing the Patriot Act you might want to be careful[1]. Does anyone actually look at what these groups actually fund or do we just go by the pundits on TV?

1) or not

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

From NCPPR's release statements, Climate Change Denier is a fair description of them.

Based on pure ROI is pure crazy.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

> this group [does not deny] that climate change is occurring But their press release says > Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change. which sounds like denial to me. Would you prefer to call them "Climate Change Skeptics," the term coined by radical conservatives to attempt to paint themselves as not crazy and anti-scientific? Everyone plays the "name yourself according…

"Climate change" used to be "global warming" until that term became so strongly associated with extremists that it instantly damaged the credibility of anyone that used it. "Climate Change Skeptics" communicates the same thing as "deniers". You are missing the point. Most people agree that climate change (aka global warming) is occurring. The argument is over whether we can cause it or stop it.

Re: At Apple shareholder’s meeting, Tim Cook tells off climate change deniers

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"Climate Change Denier" is a term coined by radical environmentalists in an attempt to paint their opponents as crazy and stupid. Most rational people don't deny that climate change is occurring. Many people simply side with scientists that have examined the facts and determined that human attempts at trying to control climate change are about as effective as Indian rain dances. That said, Tim Cook's response was cor…

Wrong. Look at the Environment section of their website. Read the PRs and the blog posts they link to.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/eptf.html

> "Here's the bottom line: Apple is as obsessed with the theory of so-called climate change as its board member Al Gore is,"

> After today's meeting, investors can be certain that Apple is wasting untold amounts of shareholder money to combat so-called climate change.

... etc

Every single mention of climate change is prefixed with "so-called", in this PR and every other one. If you read through these articles you'll find that they believe climate change stopped in 1997.

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