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Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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The NIF is probably more useful for coming up with new fusion bomb designs than for stockpile stewardship, as you say, but what makes you say hot fusion can never be economically viable? The sun is proof that nature can do this on a grand scale! It may be a long ways off, but "a long ways" becomes "never" without experimental work like the NIF. Yes, the U.S. is probably doing this primarily to create new weapons just…

Whether the sun is capable of fusion isn't super important. We can take advantage of that, but it doesn't mean we can build many safe plants based on an evolution of the NIF design. If your alternative fuel requires hundreds of billions of dollars of investment in the future, just to show viability of the basic research concept, before it can actually be useful, you will be at a massive competitive advantage relative…

Yes, and it's not certain that we will ever be able to have a stable, viable fusion plant. There are even somewhat recent works showing that certain kinds of confinement which were being tried in the early days are not theoretically viable.

We're still a few orders of magnitude away from energy, and we're probably quite a few reactor design innovations and material breakthroughs away, I'd say, as far as my layman knowledge goes.

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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Speculating about their "real" motives is just that; speculation. I'm sorry your project was defunded, but that in itself is not evidence that the facility is actually a sham.

NIF is explicitly and publicly a weapons research facility; it's right there on their website[0]. If they happen to do some useful scientific or commercial work then yay but it's a nice byproduct. [0] https://lasers.llnl.gov/about/missions/

Actually, the site you linked lists 3 goals. Weapons research is only one of them. The other two are commercial and scientific research. Those are not mere byproducts, but explicit goals of the facility.

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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It is an important milestone. But to have a commercially viable fusion reactor, you'll need a factor of 50-100 more energy out than in to make up for inefficiencies in electricity generation using this kind of scheme. The real story here is that this facility allows the US to do nuclear weapons research without violating the nuclear test ban treaty. If the goal was to develop a commercially viable fusion reactor, the…

"Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has a mission of strengthening the United States’ security through development and application of world-class science and technology to:

Enhance the nation’s defense; Reduce the global threat from terrorism and weapons of mass destruction; And respond with vision, quality, integrity and technical excellence to scientific issues of national importance."

https://www.llnl.gov/about/whatwedo.html

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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Right, but what's its viral coefficient? How can we get it as a mobile app?

I'm torn. Should we focus on gamifying it or making it web-scale?

Clearly the synergistic benefits of leveraging this technology to cohesively move Humanity into a new paradigm cannot be oversubscribed!

If only we capture 1% of the social graph we can make freemium Fusion the next killer energy product!

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Producing net-energy is a different story than collecting net-energy. NIF just blows up a canister with a pellet and takes forever to reload a shot. On the other hand, an at-least-as-promising technology like Dense Plasma Focus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_plasma_focus ) is still receiving minuscule funding. I'm hoping to be able to meaningfully support DPF and other fusion technologies soon. DPF has my atten…

LPP is planning a crowdfunding campaign for their DPF experiment, so you'll be able to support them soon if you like. http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/index.php?option=c...

I tried introducing them to crowdhoster =) Anyone with the appropriate networking, please do your thing.

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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The NIF is probably more useful for coming up with new fusion bomb designs than for stockpile stewardship, as you say, but what makes you say hot fusion can never be economically viable? The sun is proof that nature can do this on a grand scale! It may be a long ways off, but "a long ways" becomes "never" without experimental work like the NIF. Yes, the U.S. is probably doing this primarily to create new weapons just…

Whether the sun is capable of fusion isn't super important. We can take advantage of that, but it doesn't mean we can build many safe plants based on an evolution of the NIF design. If your alternative fuel requires hundreds of billions of dollars of investment in the future, just to show viability of the basic research concept, before it can actually be useful, you will be at a massive competitive advantage relative…

A hundred billion dollars is not a whole lot of money. We spent many, many times that on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the results there are passable at best.

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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Whether the sun is capable of fusion isn't super important. We can take advantage of that, but it doesn't mean we can build many safe plants based on an evolution of the NIF design. If your alternative fuel requires hundreds of billions of dollars of investment in the future, just to show viability of the basic research concept, before it can actually be useful, you will be at a massive competitive advantage relative…

Yes, and it's not certain that we will ever be able to have a stable, viable fusion plant. There are even somewhat recent works showing that certain kinds of confinement which were being tried in the early days are not theoretically viable. We're still a few orders of magnitude away from energy, and we're probably quite a few reactor design innovations and material breakthroughs away, I'd say, as far as my layman kno…

Well, ever is a long time.

Give it another 1000 years.

We will get fusion sooner or later - just to say we did it, if for nothing else.

Re: Nuclear fusion milestone passed at US lab

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I would imagine that the price/kW of coal will become easier to beat as we run out of it.

Pick your favorite energy technology (oil, wind, solar), it still applies.

It's quite a bit harder to run out of wind and solar.
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