Note to journalists: Please stop using the Orwellian term "Rendition". The proper term for bringing a suspect back to face a judge is "Extradite"
Hong Kong Baffled by Snowden’s Hideout
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#82Note to journalists: Please stop using the Orwellian term "Rendition". The proper term for bringing a suspect back to face a judge is "Extradite"
Actually Extradition is subset of Rendition (which involves any transfer between jurisdictions), which is not at all an orwellian term.
It has only taken on its more negative connotations since the use of "Extraordinary Rendition." Had the term used for that behavior been "Extraordinary Extradition" then you would be complaining when journalists use the term "Extradition"
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#84> Hong Kong is the worst place in the world for any person to avoid extradition, with the possible exception of the United Kingdom I'm British, and this both saddens and angers me. It's time for a change.
I'm sceptical about the truth of that claim. For a start, the UK (along with other European countries) has a blanket ban on extraditing anyone that might face capital charges; a detail many countries with extradition treaties and capital punishment systems of their own are unlikely to care too much about. Secondly, the UK government can, and in the last 12 months has vetoed extradition of a high-profile suspect to the US, largely because there was public outcry over the issue.
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#85So why didn't he go to Iceland in the first place? And would Hong Kong let him out if he decides to leave right now, before the US issued any warrant?
The cover was medical tourism... HK is known for it, Iceland isn't... Also HK is currently in a state of flux in terms of it's asylum process... So he can stay while they even sort out the process of applying/approval etc... it's rather brilliant.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it makes sense. Like he said in his interview, he could have just sold the stuff he already leaked. Why then would he bother with the whole trouble of very publicly becoming America's Most Wanted? He sounded pretty sincere about doing this for the good of the American people. He claims he made a concerted effort to not reveal any information that could harm individuals, which appears to hold up. I would…
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing to go on. Edward's disclosure was responsible, and certainly served a public good, and so far he should be lauded for it. It was a brave act. I understand him fleeing and seeking asylum in another country given that there is little chance he would get a 'fair' trial here (as has been shown by the way Bradley Manning and Aaron Swartz have been treated)... but of all places ... China?…
HK != China. How many times should we do this?
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#89This is contradicted somewhat by a different source. This one says Hong Kong is a very good place to seek asylum right now, because there is a moratorium on deporting asylum-seekers: But there is at least one reason it could be incredibly shrewd: Hong Kong's asylum system is currently stuck in a state of limbo that could allow Snowden to exploit a loophole and buy some valuable time. Simon Young, director of the Cent…
The difference here is that Snowden is going to be wanted for criminal charges, not political ones, so his case for pleading asylum is very, very weak. It's like someone being accused of murder and trying to seek asylum in another country (I'm not saying that what he did is identical to murder, just pointing out what "criminal" means here).
It doesn't matter because you still have to have someone deny his asylum application, something which there is no protocol for at the moment in HK.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The "China is an oppressive regime" meme It's not a meme. It's fact.
This brings up the idea that Snowden fled the US to a place that he felt would be more free.
That's not true at all. He just needed to go somewhere that both a) would resist the US's judicial attempts at extradition and b) would resist the US's extrajudicial attempts at extradition. HK is probably one of the few places that satisfy both.