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Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Nice classy article, HN. - Links to over $500 dollars worth of equipment on Amazon, and over $1000 overall (I guess the Marcy device isn't sold on Amazon?) but no links to any sites with good information about lifting weights. - Recommendation of specific supplements and lifting program (including suggested numbers of reps and sets) but only a haphazard list of random exercises and no information about how to perform…

Matt Might enjoys a certain amount of credibility on HN for his fantastic blogging on CS topics. While I don't begrudge his attempts to share aspects other aspects of his life and even monetize his blogging, I think you raise some valid criticisms of this post. Certainly the topic of personal fitness and weightlifting is much deeper than a single article with sparse links, I'd treat this more as his personal experien…

I'd treat this more as his personal experience with starting instead of a definitive guide to the subject.

If it's supposed to be taken that way, it should be written that way. Instead, someone with a little bit of personal experience about a subject wrote a soup-to-nuts guide for beginners that strikes an authoritative tone, acknowledges no other authorities, implies a great deal of expertise (even implying that the information he presents is derived from scientific studies,) gives advice that is extremely incomplete and in places off the wall, and refers entirely to his own work with NO suggestion that readers should seek out any other source of information. That's not normal. It's bizarre. Our jaws should be dropping at the inappropriateness of it. If it feels normal to people, I can only surmise that it is due to a distortion of culture where pumping yourself up as an expert (and "monetizing your blog") is not something that can be accurate or inaccurate, or honest or dishonest, but is simply assumed as the socially normal way to communicate.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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I've plugged this here before, but so what: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-tra... . The key observation here is that your average person doesn't need a particularly sophisticated routine to get "average in shape" (if that makes sense). I think the conventional wisdom that you need to be eating health food all the time and running an hour a day makes people feel like it's just not worth the e…

A word of caution... StrongLifts and Starting Strength promote advanced compound motions (ie., deadlift, bench press, squat, etc). So, it's great to kick start your muscle growth mechanism and gain strength. It's hard to argue against the deadlift, squat and bench press. But personally I've found that these exercises can be difficult and you need instruction. For the bench press you want to arch your back and bring y…

What do you suggest for someone that wants to be efficient and effective at home, without assistance, and without lots of equipment?

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You can drop load by putting a knee down during a pushup. Pullups I don't know how to adjust.

With bands: http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/equipment/iron-woody-bands.h...

Or put a chair or stool out in front of you and rest one leg on it. Try to take as much weight as possible with your arms, basically just resting your leg on the chair as opposed to actively pushing off against it. As your arms get stronger you'll naturally use the chair less until you can remove it entirely.

Also nice to essentially do a pull-up strip set. (Get a few extra pull-ups in when your muscles are fatigued and can no longer lift your whole weight.)

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Nice classy article, HN. - Links to over $500 dollars worth of equipment on Amazon, and over $1000 overall (I guess the Marcy device isn't sold on Amazon?) but no links to any sites with good information about lifting weights. - Recommendation of specific supplements and lifting program (including suggested numbers of reps and sets) but only a haphazard list of random exercises and no information about how to perform…

I opened the article in hopes of advice on improving my "hacking strength". Alas, it was about actual weightlifting, which... maybe I'll have time for again some day.

But I clicked the "my son" link in the post, and might.net has a free pass forever on making me accidentally spend ten seconds scanning something irrelevant to my current interests. Fascinating story, and I hope the tenacity they showed in getting a brand-new diagnosis pays off with effective treatment: http://matt.might.net/articles/my-sons-killer/

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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I would also add that there are plenty of compound dumbbell exercises. A compound lift is simply one that uses more than one joint.

Totally. You can do a clean and jerk with two dumbbells, for instance.

Yes, but I believe the stabilizer muscles (rotator cuff) can't continue to support the forces placed on them at a high enough weight. Generally, people "max out" stabilizers before muscles like pecs. So you plateau with dumbbells before barbells.

According to "starting strength", at some point you can't hold the dumbbells due to limitations in grip strength.

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Some of this is terrible advice. You want strength, you do high weight, low rep sets of compound barbell lifts. Dumbbells are a body-building tool, not a strength building one. Press machines are horrid horrid horrid. At best they don't target the important stabilizing muscles that compound lifts are supposed to. At worst they can pull your movements into unnatural ranges of motion, causing lasting damage to your joi…

> [Unlike barbells,] Dumbbells are a body-building tool, not a strength building one. Can you explain further? Clearly, barbells are easier to lift (see e.g. Effects of body position and loading modality on muscle activity and strength in shoulder presses ), probably because they activate less muscles, but you seem to suggest that there's evidence that lifting barbells will also make you gain strength faster than whe…

SS suggests that at some point, you simply can't grip dumbbells heavy enough to tax your larger muscles.

I would guess that stability muscles like the rotator cuff will be unable to get stronger at a rate fast enough to tax larger muscles.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Nice classy article, HN. - Links to over $500 dollars worth of equipment on Amazon, and over $1000 overall (I guess the Marcy device isn't sold on Amazon?) but no links to any sites with good information about lifting weights. - Recommendation of specific supplements and lifting program (including suggested numbers of reps and sets) but only a haphazard list of random exercises and no information about how to perform…

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Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Can anyone recommend a good reference for dumbbells training with compound/functional movements? Something like this but with better explanations. http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/dumbbell-wo...

This site is good. It has a list of exercises listed by muscle group and instructions on how to do them with different equipment along with .gifs of proper form and a bunch of other information:

http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Nice classy article, HN. - Links to over $500 dollars worth of equipment on Amazon, and over $1000 overall (I guess the Marcy device isn't sold on Amazon?) but no links to any sites with good information about lifting weights. - Recommendation of specific supplements and lifting program (including suggested numbers of reps and sets) but only a haphazard list of random exercises and no information about how to perform…

Came here to post something similar but far less eloquent or well structured. It reads like long-form copy designed to get you click through to buy things you don't need.

If HNers want to build strength they need to look at their surroundings, their patterns and see whats achievable in their day. Buying machines won't help you get fitter or stronger, doing the right routine that fits in with your life will. Until I fell ill I was doing bodyweight-based calisthenics, which worked well for me as it was less than 15 minutes a day and could mostly be done anywhere. I'm hoping to go back after a bit of a longer break.

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