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Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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"That' because dumbell lifts don't engage the stabilizer muscles. As a result, those support muscles are going to be underdeveloped and you won't have developed the coordination to engage them when you need them." Untrue. Dumbbells offer a completely free range of motion, which is what activates the stabilizer muscles. (source: google for "stabilizer muscles dumbbells" and you'll find a ton of information on the subj…

I would also add that there are plenty of compound dumbbell exercises. A compound lift is simply one that uses more than one joint.

Totally. You can do a clean and jerk with two dumbbells, for instance.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Buying a pressing machine is terrible advice. I'm sure it cost him hundreds or at most a few thousand. He could have gotten a set of heavier dumbbells for that money, or a barbell.

For the record, any lifter should know how to either dump the weight on a barbell or roll it down the chest. It isn't particularly dangerous to bench without a spotter if you're not going to failure

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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I don't disagree with the overal theme of the article, but I have to disagree on some particulars. Some thoughts: >Habit First Absolutely agree, especially when you're trying to get out of morbid out-of-shapeness. I personally find that mixing it into a pre-existing daily routine works well. I personally do core work and pullups/chinups before my morning and evening showers, and stretch exercises while I'm in the sho…

Not all dumbell exercises are isolation. For most upper body barbell exercises, you can find a corresponding dumbell exercise which recruits more stabilizer muscle. Compare, for example, the barbell bench press to the dumbell version - the dumbell version is harder since you need to stabilize each dumbell in 2 directions rather than 1. Or just look at the turkish get up. That's all stabilizer. Of course, there is no…

Dumbbell bench requires more stabilization muscles, but you'll be able to build more raw upper body strength with barbell bench.

I did dumbbell bench exclusively for close to a year, and got to the point that I could get 5 reps with the 120 pound dumbbells. However, when I moved over to barbell bench, there was surprisingly litte transfer - no real difference from where my barbell bench was before I started doing dumbbell.

Absolutely agree on squats and deadlifts. Squats should be the cornerstone of a strength program.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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I've plugged this here before, but so what: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-tra... . The key observation here is that your average person doesn't need a particularly sophisticated routine to get "average in shape" (if that makes sense). I think the conventional wisdom that you need to be eating health food all the time and running an hour a day makes people feel like it's just not worth the e…

A word of caution... StrongLifts and Starting Strength promote advanced compound motions (ie., deadlift, bench press, squat, etc). So, it's great to kick start your muscle growth mechanism and gain strength. It's hard to argue against the deadlift, squat and bench press. But personally I've found that these exercises can be difficult and you need instruction. For the bench press you want to arch your back and bring your shoulder blades together to give support as you press so you don't injure your shoulder and/or rotator cuff. The squat and deadlift also aren't simple exercises. Lots of people get injured doing these advanced exercises.

I'd highly recommend watching a bunch of videos on correct form (ie., Starting Strength has a decent dvd and YouTube has some decent tutorials). But even better would be to get a very good personal trainer to teach you these lifts.

I'm just really hesitant suggesting a beginner to go out to the gym and try these moves on their own. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

My other criticism of StrongLifts and Starting Strength is because of the complexity of the movements, the higher in weight you go the more you really should have a spotter and that just makes working out that much more complicated (need to arrange a time to meet someone, etc). If you don't use a spotter and you've progressed to some really heavy weights then it can be dangerous. There's quite of few deaths from the bench press every year.

Personally, rather than pushing myself alone a barbell squat what I'll do is I'll pre-exhaust myself with a few sets of barbell squats (moderate weight) and then go to exhaustion on the leg extension, leg press and leg curl machines. This to me is a much safer route then trying to max out on a barbell squat.

For deadlift, I do a modified stiff-leg deadlift (I learned this by watching Dorian Yates) where I start from a standing position and don't go down all the way. I also use moderate weights for this.

For bench press, I had to learn correct form (after hurting my shoulder a bit thinking I knew how to bench). I go max weight on this but I use one of those assisted power racks for safety.

To me the lifts that Starting Strength and Stronglifts promote are too important to ignore but I just don't agree with their program for everyone. For beginners working out by themselves in the gym and wanting to do the deadlift, squat and bench press... I suggest:

1. Learn proper form on these advanced movements from an expert.

2. Go moderate weight on deadlift and barbell squats if you're working out by yourself.

3. Don't be stupid on the bench press by lifting your max without a spotter. I read that more deaths happen because of the bench press than any other exercise in the gym.

For beginners, I would probably not suggest not StartingStrength/StrongLifts. But rather, I'd suggest working out 2-3 times a week (average 20-30 minutes per workout) using High Intensity Training principles and techniques. The basic principles is doing one set to muscular failure per exercise.

If you're really just starting out, read Body By Science (Little and McGuff) and follow their Big Five exercise program. It's the top 5 exercises (machines) that you do once a week. Just one set each to failure and it only takes 20 minutes/week. The key is going to failure.

If you're wanting more, check out The New High Intensity Training (Darden). He summarizes the basics of H.I.T and gives some decent workouts. He suggests 3 times a week for beginners and the workouts take less than 30 minutes each. Again the key is going to failure with each exercise.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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I don't disagree with the overal theme of the article, but I have to disagree on some particulars. Some thoughts: >Habit First Absolutely agree, especially when you're trying to get out of morbid out-of-shapeness. I personally find that mixing it into a pre-existing daily routine works well. I personally do core work and pullups/chinups before my morning and evening showers, and stretch exercises while I'm in the sho…

Not all dumbell exercises are isolation. For most upper body barbell exercises, you can find a corresponding dumbell exercise which recruits more stabilizer muscle. Compare, for example, the barbell bench press to the dumbell version - the dumbell version is harder since you need to stabilize each dumbell in 2 directions rather than 1. Or just look at the turkish get up. That's all stabilizer. Of course, there is no…

This is what I was thinking. There are dumbbell adaptations of most barbell exercises. I've been doing dumbbell deadlifts and the one-legged variant, as well as lunges.

They are certainly different and have a different emphasis and limitations, but for a lot of training goals they can do the job very well. And even the mini-gyms found in hotels and apartments tend to have some dumbbells, while the same access isn't there with barbells.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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The blog post had some decent information but I think it was a bit scattered to me.

Here are the key principles to gaining muscle with the least resistance (in my opinion):

1. Lift heavy as possible - you'll have a difficult time stimulating lots of muscle growth with light weights which I've personally tried.

2. Use proper form - tons of people get injured on heavy resistance exercises because of improper form or lifting too much without a spotter.

3. Go to muscular failure - the final rep where you can't lift the weight no more is the most important. It contributes the most to kick starting your muscle growth mechanism.

4. Don't overtrain - you need to give your body ample rest and recovery for your muscles to grow the most. (Personally I'm training once every 3 days and currently this is working well for me).

5. Train the full body - building stronger/bigger legs will help build mass everywhere in your body. Don't think you're get strong just doing push-ups. You need to work all the major muscles in some way - quads, hamstring, glutes, calves, pecs, lats, delts, triceps, biceps, etc.

6. You only need to spend 25 minutes 2-3 times a week. Tip: look into High Intensity Training principles from Arthur Jones, Mentzer, Darden and others. They promoted short, intense workouts (usually one set to failure per exercise) that stimulated arguably more muscle growth than longer workouts.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Fair enough. I haven't looked at Starting Strength. I do think Stronglifts is "good enough" for people just looking to get in reasonable shape, and I think there are "transaction costs" benefits to having a short free PDF and a routine that starts with low weights to learn form as opposed to a thorough book and getting professional instruction.

I agree, it is the biggest downfall of Starting Strength. It would be much more accessible if they just had a well organized library of video instructions for all the lifts the program uses. I find it hard to learn from a book...

I also found it difficult to learn the lifts from the Starting Strength book, so I bought the DVD and it was very helpful.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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Isn't the point that dumbbells can be a strength trainer for someone just starting out? If its heavy enough for someone to only comfortably get 6-8 reps,then they're in the strength training target. Once they're capable of handling more weight, they can graduate to a bar. The OP's point was to lower the barrier of entry, right?

> Isn't the point that dumbbells can be a strength trainer for someone just starting out? A good gym will have a light weight 35lb starting bar. That will be 35lb spread across two arms and your back. You begin with that empty, no weights on it. Start out until you can lift heavier and heavier. For people who cannot even lift that, then yes, special measures may be called for. As others have mentioned though, the big…

I go to the little gym my apartment has, they have dumbbells. I will work out with dumbbells, even if people claim they are not as great. I can get a good work-out in with them.

I can still do compound movements with them, I can still train particular parts of my body, and I can train my body as a whole. I also add body weight training, I can't yet do squats with weight, push-ups, crunches, sit-ups, all those fun exercises. Dumbbells are just one of the many tools to help me get a good work-out in.

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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My problem is I just do not enjoy exercise. I grant that some level of exercise is probably healthy, but I just don't enjoy it. At all. Not long ago I made myself run 3 or 4 days a week, for about 4 months. I did build up my ability to go longer distances but it never made me feel any better. After running I never felt energized or more productive; I felt tired and wanted to go to bed. I had similar experiences with…

I used to hate working out, specifically because I absolutely hate cardio (looking at you treadmill, running, walking, biking, elliptical) but I found great joy in lifting. I started off slow, but even now I can really get into it.

I look forward to going to the gym and getting a work-out in when I get home from work. I used to absolutely hate it, because people told me that I should do cardio to lose weight ... now most of what I do is lifting. A little cardio and the inches keep coming off, and I keep getting stronger.

Find something you enjoy doing (I love swimming) and find pleasure in doing that, even if it is for a short period of time per day. Running clearly isn't for you, and it isn't for me...

Re: Hacking strength: Gaining muscle with least resistance

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> I hit 90 pounds per hand on the flat bench press (up from 25 per hand at the start). I call BS unless he's tinkering with terminology. 50 lbs max bench press to 180 lbs max in 5 months is impossible.

It's a 6.5lb per week gain, which is within the range of a linear progression program.
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