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Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by ajross »

danilocampos wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routinely undersupported and self-contradictory) opinions about it, and another employer who fired the evangelist based on said freakout.

Good grief. Can't we all just grow up a little? Without exception, everyone involved (and that includes you, and probably half this thread) needs to apologize to everyone else.

I feel sad.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by setrofim_ »

Joeboy wrote: post #5

Given the way this has escalated I'm expecting it to have engulfed the entire civilized world by the end of the week. You Americans are crazy.

Agreed. This has gotten out of hand fast. Two people now have lost their jobs over what is basically a harmless, if somewhat inappropriate, joke. And while I believe that Adria was wrong in how she reacted to that joke, and in refusing to admit fault or apologize afterwards, I'm not sure she should have lost their job over it. This is basically a non-issue that has been blown way out of proportion by social media.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by niggler »

[deleted] wrote: post #77
knowtheory wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you'd rather see her name totally vilified and run out of the industry instead? Where's the understanding and tolerance for questionable conduct that was offered to the two guys making jokes now?

[deleted]

The problem with this line of argument is that she didn't intend to get him fired. The most that should have happened was a larger discussion. The fact that he was fired was an overreaction by the employer, not her.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by danilocampos »

blhack wrote: post #60
danilocampos wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Do you actually know what the guys said? They made a joke about the word "dong" sounding like the word "dongle". If this is what you think a frat house sounds like, you are very mistaken. That this is considered a faux pas is more politically correct than any office I've ever heard of.

> Do you actually know what the guys said?

I can assure you I know substantially more on this than you do.

People have a right to attend a conference without sexual jokes leaking into their ears while they attend a talk. It's as simple as that.

Should the guy have been fired? No. Should he have been talking like that? No.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by mkr-hn »

antirez wrote: post #50
mkr-hn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We didn't invent sensationalist media.

However trust me that this stress on politically correctness and the way people feel the right to be offended by whatever shit, is really hard to understand from our side of the sea.

I don't really see it living here. There's stories like this that go global, but each one is surrounded by thousands of little instances with people responding with arguments that anyone should be able to say whatever they want because of the first amendment.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by SODaniel »

zshprompt wrote: post #18

I feel that all the threats and horrible comments she received are disgusting. I didn't find their joke offensive. But thats irrelevant. She had a right to complain. But not by posting their picture on twitter. Posting that picture was a really rotten thing to do. Its an act of bullying. I can take a picture of anyone and they would have said whatever I put on the caption. And its up to them to prove to the internet…

Obviously any intelligent person will agree that the trolls posting threats etc are childish morons.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by pekk »

salman89 wrote: post #51
blhack wrote: post #20

I really wish that this whole thing could have ended amicably (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs [by the way, the guy who was fired has already publicly apologized]). It's too bad that sendgrid had to fire her, I would never wish that somebody had their livlihood taken from them like that, but her job was to be a developer evangelist, which is a job she isn't realistically capable of performing anymore. I wo…

"I would feel really uncomfortable if I was in the same room as this person. What if I accidentally say something that she finds offensive? Am I next?" I'm not agreeing with anything Adria did, but the issue of being labeled as the "tattletale" probably plays a big part in most women's reluctance to report real harassment.

The problem is not at all that Ms. Richards is a "tattletale," i.e. that she reported a problem to PyCon. Nobody has a problem with that.

Re: SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas

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Post by niggler »

ajross wrote: post #81
danilocampos wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (perhaps with Adria apologizing to the devs). What, exactly, has she to apologize for? The people in question were speaking like they were in a frat house in direct contravention of a code of conduct they'd agreed to. They had the right to speak. And Adria had the right to tweet. If they didn't like being publicly outed for saying this stuff, guess what? All they had to do was shut their mouths. > What if I acciden…

Sigh. Can't everyone in question here be a jerk? We have two sexist/innapropriate developers; one stressed out evangelist who overreacted and innapropriately tweeted a photo; one employer who (apparently, there is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin!) fired one of the first guys on questionable evidence; uncounted hordes of almost-exclusively-male internet users with crystal clear (yet routi…

"here is STILL no evidence for this fact beyond the anonymous pastebin"

Exactly! The employer may have been itching for a reason to fire the guy, and this proved convenient.

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