So that’s what’s beneath the usual HN tech bro libertarian veneer. Oh my bad are yall under the impression that HN is not the majority of the traffic right now lmao
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I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
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Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#82Look. It works. I just spent 5 minutes reading the messages posted on your glorious chat app.
If I'd be you, i'd plant an ad just above it.
Why are you complaining.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried Mastodon for awhile but found the fediverse was almost as bad as the centralized control verse. It sounds like it works for you, though.
It helps that I have a small, single user hosted instance so I don't need to worry about admin drama. It also helps that I generally align with the culture politically but also avoid posting about politics (because I think doing so is mostly performative and not useful.) But I think just about any layer of moderation will do. I'd be using Disqus except it's too "engagement" oriented and collects analytics I don't wan…
Someday people will be able to disagree politically again without having to de-platform each other for doing so.
Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#84real-time chat is....... oh that is likely Live streaming channel. (but 's not have Chat Manager) :facepalm:
Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#85The chat is still there in the corner of this post, with people typing nasty shit into it. Well have fun delving into programmatic censorship I guess. Or just take it out. If you take the former path and post about trying to fix it here then I'm sure you'll get a lot more free testing of your attempts to enforce civility through regex or whatever. Enjoy learning about the Scunthorpe problem.
Looking at the last few minutes of messages, I get the feeling that all it takes is a handful of motivated (i.e. jobless) malicious individuals to make an entire community or a corner of the Internet look like it has devolved into barbarism.
Isn't that always how corruption/devolution has worked? Why not use the same tools we always had: accountability via transparency and then if needed shaming.
Don't want strangers to abuse your resources and community and hide being anonymous to avoid accountability? Adjust/tune that aspect of your community - why can't you be creative and try to solve the problem with ideas like how tribes and organisms deal with this in person.
maybe we can evolve chat interfaces for this obvious low-cost-noise age. Increase the cost somehow, not saying I know how, but it is definitely possible to filter out noise by being creative. edit: stay tuned and I'll probably figure out some solutions.
Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#86Wait. Is it not against the HN guidelines to regularly submit links to your own sites? Isn't that considered self-promotion and, thus, against the rules? I've got nothing against the author, personally, as I'd do the same, but seeing his submission page, I'd like to know how normal getting in trouble is for this practice or if the guidelines are enforced at all in this sense.
emailing hn@ycombinator.com is possibly a better way to raise a question about moderation like this fyi. mods may not see this comment but they probably will see a direct email.
theyre probably the only ones who can answer your question / nudge you in a direction of understanding appropriately.
Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#87The chat is still there in the corner of this post, with people typing nasty shit into it. Well have fun delving into programmatic censorship I guess. Or just take it out. If you take the former path and post about trying to fix it here then I'm sure you'll get a lot more free testing of your attempts to enforce civility through regex or whatever. Enjoy learning about the Scunthorpe problem.
When I checked it out, the chat was a cesspool of racism, zionism, and horny dudes. Occasionally cool fish emojis.
Right now there’s some minor probing, trying to get the site to print variables. There’s racism against Blacks. There’s antisemitism. There are a few people actually trying to say hi to one another. Then there’s a bot that replies to absolutely everyone and invites them to their gay male Chaturbate channel.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
It helps that I have a small, single user hosted instance so I don't need to worry about admin drama. It also helps that I generally align with the culture politically but also avoid posting about politics (because I think doing so is mostly performative and not useful.) But I think just about any layer of moderation will do. I'd be using Disqus except it's too "engagement" oriented and collects analytics I don't wan…
Someday people will be able to disagree politically again without having to de-platform each other for doing so.
On the one hand, sure, but on the other hand I'm not hosting a Nazi bar and there are some political conversations I'm simply not interested in having.
But I'm not even trying to filter for politics, really, so much as literal humanity and basic decency. Just that has become a hard problem. Dealing with trolls whose entire identity is performative politics is another.
Re: I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me
#89I've done this to myself too. I once had a thermal receipt printer I wasn't using, so I decided to point a webcam at it and put it on a webpage so anyone could print random crap to it (it's actually still up - alnwlsn.com/printer). Of course I went in knowing full well what I was getting into, and the types of messages posted to it are about what you expect and get here. Some highlights:
- It was once found by one of those worse-than-4chan places, who spent about 4 hours spamming the worst things you could imagine until it ran out of paper. I added some filtering after that to stop tons of duplicate messages from wasting so much paper and some regex, which reduced the volume of some particularly vile things. Some people do post nice messages too.
- The setup breaks often. Eventually, I'll notice and fix it, but it might have been broken for months. Inevitibly, there will be people using it again within days, with no announcement made. How enough people find it on this tiny corner of the internet is a mystery to me, but they do. I am convinced most of them are real people, because why even bother to point a bot at it?
The whole point was that I thought it would be more interesting than letting the thing sit around on a shelf, and to use up the box of rolls that came with it instead of throwing the whole thing in the trash. Intersting it is; I don't think I would describe it as plesant, but it is interesting.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, shutting down to that specific browser fingerprint would be the better way. Sometimes, being able to recognize a user has it's benefits for good /s
But don't let them know they've been shut down, use a shadowban.
Agreed. I'd just have 2 chat pools, once you break rules, you get moved to the rule breaker pool with the other like minded individuals. Well behaved individuals wouldn't even know or care about the separation.