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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by nimchimpsky »

gr_norm wrote: post #66
adi2907 wrote: post #20

Once OpenAI and Anthropic are public, every such announcement will become a reliable sell signal

Agree, I don't necessarily see a strong argument favoring OpenAI or Anthropic here. In the interest of perspective, can anyone (perhaps playing devil's advocate) give one? The open models are now good enough for what I want to do with them, let alone any future improvements. And factoring in efficiency gains, a model in the ~70b range starting to satisfy my needs would completely obviate the need to pay others for in…

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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by Daishiman »

storus wrote: post #67

I think the window for a ban of open weight models is closing fast so let's hope US administration is going to miss it and we get Fable-level models (at least in some aspects) with open weights without infringing any newly introduced law as a long-term local baseline.

What can the US administration do about it?

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by aurareturn »

aliljet wrote: post #79

I'm trying and failing to find value running a potential Qwen 3.8 27b dense model on a 16 core, 128 GB of ram, 2080ti box. Yes, the GPU yells for help, but the problem is that no math works to upgrade this machine even when pouring $200 in rent every month into the large model providers... How are you all justifying economical use of these local models right now? What's the cost efficient way to do this and do better…

You will simply not get more value out of running a local model vs paying for a subscription/API from the cloud in 2026. There is no math that will make local models come out ahead in $/intelligence/token.*

The point of local models is privacy, offline use, and maybe no guard rails.

* Not talking about enterprises that buy DGX racks and host Chinese models for internal use.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by weikju »

SyneRyder wrote: post #36
jofzar wrote: post #4

Lmao I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job. Surely Alibaba is leading by example here by reducing work hours per week while keeping pay the same right? Right?

> I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job... Are you not already experiencing this? I think this is fairly common for people using AI now, though the time may not always go into hobbies or sports. It's common for me to setup Claude with an hour+ task while I catch up on housework, or while I'm getting ready in the morning. In the last couple of weeks I've…

We are in the golden period where this IS possible. Once it becomes the norm to "do something else while your agent works", we'll be asked to do more WORK while the agent works, rather than do hobbies/housework/nap/etc.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by twelve40 »

gr_norm wrote: post #66
adi2907 wrote: post #20

Once OpenAI and Anthropic are public, every such announcement will become a reliable sell signal

Agree, I don't necessarily see a strong argument favoring OpenAI or Anthropic here. In the interest of perspective, can anyone (perhaps playing devil's advocate) give one? The open models are now good enough for what I want to do with them, let alone any future improvements. And factoring in efficiency gains, a model in the ~70b range starting to satisfy my needs would completely obviate the need to pay others for in…

coding on a laptop is only one use case

you can't create a new drug by running a model on a laptop. You can't serve a customer support bot running on a laptop. You can't generate video in bulk for many users on a laptop. So there is still a case for paying others for inference.

Does it justify the valuations? No idea, but some major use cases are still there. That's why they are rushing to implement, OpenAI creating a "deployment company", Anthropic having some pharma rumors, etc.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by froh »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #44
pettijohn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, bike geometry is really good! Except for the missing wheels lol

Do pelican bikes need wheels? They've got wings, after all... I think Qwen is on to something here.

It's because of the basket with the fish. like ET, fishy fishy sail home.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by nozzlegear »

kanemcgrath wrote: post #77
mattnewton wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a 3.5 122B 10A release - https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B

I tried it for a bit, and It was not really worth its size. It got swept up in all the other AI news recently, but laguna s 2.1 I think is the best ~100B moe model right now

I didn't mention it above, but Laguna S is my other favorite model. I use Qwen a lot more, it's smaller and faster, but I like to switch to Laguna when I feel like I need a "heavy hitter" for certain huge or complex tasks.

Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by [deleted] »

nozzlegear wrote: post #27
toshinoriyagi wrote: post #8

They've also announced Qwen3.8-27B being released open-weight next week. Qwen3.6-27B is widely regarded as one of the best local models, especially since nothing else comes close to it, that isn't benchmaxxed, without being significantly larger. If 3.8 truly improves upon it that would be awesome.

Qwen3.6-35B is my daily driver for AI, and what convinced me to cancel my Claude subscription back in April. The Qwen3.6 line is easily the best local model I've tried, and I've tried a lot. I've got it diligently grinding away on my laptop right now, reviewing and fixing some bugs in my F# code.

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Re: Qwen3.8-Max: A New Bar for Coding and Cowork

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Post by aurareturn »

jofzar wrote: post #4

Lmao I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job. Surely Alibaba is leading by example here by reducing work hours per week while keeping pay the same right? Right?

  Lmao I love their video with the idea that people will be able to do their hobbies while ai does their job.
Anecdotally, I'm even more busy with AI than before AI. I'm expected to do a lot more even if doing one thing is faster.

Before AI:

I have 10 tasks that take 1 hour each to do.

After AI:

I have 100 tasks that take 10 minutes each to do.

Same amount of time spent working, maybe even more stressful, just more productive.

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