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Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by defrost »

Skyy93 wrote: post #79
defrost wrote: post #74

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> a goverment should not simply impose more and more bans and restrictions. Fair point. I'd argue that a government should work to the benefit of that governments employers, aka its citizens. eg: In the instance where parent citizens want more control over phones that flood in from outside, particularly when > both parents are working 40 hours+ each week, [and] they are not able to do this for themselves. I can see t…

I do not think we will come to an agreement here. For me the current solution feels like patchwork and through this behaviour, which goverments all around the world follow, we postpone urgent policy changes further and further. Especially that once rights are taken they are much harder to get back.

It's a real problem fumbling for a solution - there is a business to be made here.

> Especially that once rights are taken they are much harder to get back.

American?

I'm Australian and more inclined toward keeping a foot on the neck of government and on task with what the citizens appear to want.

The current lot aren't doing a great job on limiting child access so far, but the situation is evolving.

Should it get to the point where I feel I have to take up arms and go and shoot the people we elected I'd see that as a failure on our part.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

Skyy93 wrote: post #67
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #58

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I know! How about new technology that "automates" stuff, letting them pay us lower wages to work more hours (if we're lucky to keep a job)? Maybe it should even be trained on our work

This feels a bit like whatboutism. While the transition might be hard this will sort out if it comes to that point. You (and in a possible future the AI) are producing stuff for people to consume. If no one is consuming stuff you earn no money and there is no reason to produce. So you want people to have money such that they can spend it.

It's not whataboutism, it's pointing out that your idea how parents should have more time and energy to make sure their children aren't badly affected by social media, instead of just banning it, is rosy-eyed when you consider reality. We are heading in the opposite direction.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by Skyy93 »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #82
Skyy93 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels a bit like whatboutism. While the transition might be hard this will sort out if it comes to that point. You (and in a possible future the AI) are producing stuff for people to consume. If no one is consuming stuff you earn no money and there is no reason to produce. So you want people to have money such that they can spend it.

It's not whataboutism, it's pointing out that your idea how parents should have more time and energy to make sure their children aren't badly affected by social media, instead of just banning it, is rosy-eyed when you consider reality. We are heading in the opposite direction.

This is a different problem, and law makers are in charge to change this direction.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by dalemhurley »

intothemild wrote: post #12

I've said this to every single person who pushed for this. "Imagine you're a teenager, and your parents and government tell you to not do something... What will happen?" The answer is of course that they keep doing it anyhow. But hide it. As an Aussie, and a parent. What I wanted was that the government mandate that in order for your website or app to launch in Australia, that if you want to allow kids between certai…

You’re probably too young to remember when anti smoking laws were introduced to Australia. It took decades to change behaviours and attitudes. The cigarette industry did everything in their powers to undermine the laws. The social media giants are playing the same game.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by [deleted] »

Skyy93 wrote: post #19
grebc wrote: post #8

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Anecdotally, all the parents I know and have discussed this with are desperate for this to work. How it should work I'm unsure in the big scheme of it, but we limit access to various things until age 18 here in Australia, and I think this is one long term battle that I believe the tech sector will lose.

Rather than applying more bans, perhaps we should consider ways of living that allow parents to spend time talking to their children. Understanding what their days are like and the problems they face. For me much of this discussion and the excessive demand it takes from parents sounds more like a problem of the society as whole. That we are not having enough time to raise children since both parents are forced to wor…

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Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by Skyy93 »

defrost wrote: post #81
Skyy93 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think we will come to an agreement here. For me the current solution feels like patchwork and through this behaviour, which goverments all around the world follow, we postpone urgent policy changes further and further. Especially that once rights are taken they are much harder to get back.

It's a real problem fumbling for a solution - there is a business to be made here. > Especially that once rights are taken they are much harder to get back. American? I'm Australian and more inclined toward keeping a foot on the neck of government and on task with what the citizens appear to want. The current lot aren't doing a great job on limiting child access so far, but the situation is evolving. Should it get to…

>American?

Nope, German. Would I be American I would probably phantasize of taking up arms to overthrow the dictatorship, without the realization that I probably just would die since the military is much better equipped than me.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by defrost »

Skyy93 wrote: post #87
defrost wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a real problem fumbling for a solution - there is a business to be made here. > Especially that once rights are taken they are much harder to get back. American? I'm Australian and more inclined toward keeping a foot on the neck of government and on task with what the citizens appear to want. The current lot aren't doing a great job on limiting child access so far, but the situation is evolving. Should it get to…

>American? Nope, German. Would I be American I would probably phantasize of taking up arms to overthrow the dictatorship, without the realization that I probably just would die since the military is much better equipped than me.

As Australians we veer toward large unarmed crowds and telling 'em to get on with the job or get the f' out so we can re elect new ones.

We have a hybrid UK / US "Washminister" system with mandatory voting, obligatory BBQ's, proportional voting and relative isolation.

That isolation is now being punctured and we're seeing unpopular parties that tank whenever they're asked questions in public suddenly get a boost from being "social media" only and trading on "algorithmic" boosts courtesy of unpopular billionaire backers.

That one is more of a pressing issue, albeit related, than parental control of media access.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Post by Skyy93 »

defrost wrote: post #89
Skyy93 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>American? Nope, German. Would I be American I would probably phantasize of taking up arms to overthrow the dictatorship, without the realization that I probably just would die since the military is much better equipped than me.

As Australians we veer toward large unarmed crowds and telling 'em to get on with the job or get the f' out so we can re elect new ones. We have a hybrid UK / US "Washminister" system with mandatory voting, obligatory BBQ's, proportional voting and relative isolation. That isolation is now being punctured and we're seeing unpopular parties that tank whenever they're asked questions in public suddenly get a boost from…

Do you think we don't do the same in Germany? Might be a bit different system, but I would appreciate if you would not treat me as if I don't know anything about democracy. Voting and protesting might seem nice on paper, but people are stupid or kept stupid, for example crime rates are dropping for years but people feel unsafer because of higher media coverage.

However, now we are talking about something different and this is also something I can support much more. Algorithmic boosts and these slot machine like systems are a problem, which I highly agree. Then a ban of all of these systems would be something you would rather advocate then advocate for selective bans. For example, yeah social media can continue to exist but only a very simple algorithm can be used where a user can subscribe to topics he/she chooses. No recommendation, no trending stuff.

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