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Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by hoten »

echelon_musk wrote: post #79
harimau777 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of Christians argue that it does say exactly that. In Genesis 2:15, God tells Adam to care for the planet: The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. Of course fundamentalists tend not to see it that way.

> Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. John 2:15

(that's 1 John 2:15 - John 2:15 is the one where Jesus attacks the money changers)

The next line is critical for context, as it defines what "things in the world" means.

> [...] For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

Seems clear to me this isn't about creation (ie not saying don't cherish nature / animals).

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by culi »

harimau777 wrote: post #45
culi wrote: post #8

Just wanna say, Monga Bay is an incredible publication that doesn't get enough attention. As someone who follows a lot of environmental news, they routinely cover important topics and do original journalism on stories I hear nowhere else. Their YouTube channel is full of extremely high quality videos that often get less than 2k views. I would highly recommend checking them out https://www.youtube.com/@MongabayTV/vide…

How do they tend to clock in on the doomer scale? I'm trying to find alternatives to the regular news that don't feed my doomerism.

I'd actually say climate/environmental news has had an optimism bias because there was a strong strain of thinking reporting on how dreadful certain things are would cause people to give up. I'd say Mongabay is mostly focused on solutions but does not shy away from covering environmental injustices.

If you want something more hopeful, it's hard to suggest news in general, but I really like Shareable's focus on community solutions https://www.shareable.net/stories/

And I also enjoy updates from certain orgs that are actually doing projects:

- Andrew Millison taught permaculture at Oregon State and then worked for the United Nations. His channel is an incredible gallery of amazing climate solutions around the world: https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos

- Mossy Earth is a nonprofit that does a lot of cool restoration and rewilding projects that have had tremendous success: https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth/videos

- Ecosia (yes the search engine) also does similar work. They collaborate with a lot of nonprofits around the world so its also a good jumping off point to find other groups: https://www.youtube.com/@Ecosia/videos

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by bluebarbet »

culi wrote: post #8

Just wanna say, Monga Bay is an incredible publication that doesn't get enough attention. As someone who follows a lot of environmental news, they routinely cover important topics and do original journalism on stories I hear nowhere else. Their YouTube channel is full of extremely high quality videos that often get less than 2k views. I would highly recommend checking them out https://www.youtube.com/@MongabayTV/vide…

As I understand it, they've finally been getting noticed in the last year or two. This is a super professional nonprofit media outlet that's producing an almost incredible volume of reporting on subjects of critical importance that almost nobody else is covering. It really is a lesson in the limits to the organic surfacing of quality in the attention economy.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by HiPhish »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10
ynac wrote: post #3

We just had our first bear crossing on a wildlife here in the Northwest. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/first-black-bear-u... I know these things are more complicated than they seem at first, but whenever these stories surface, I immediately go to an idealistic childhood cartoon land where we have a prime directive that tells us to go forth(!) and watch out for each other!

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

All living being want to literally eat you in one way or another. You can respect the earth, but first you have to subdue it and have dominion, otherwise it will kill you.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by oatmeal1 »

asdff wrote: post #47
tokai wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a solution specifically for arboreal animals, while the Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing is explicitly for mountain lions.

I think the idea of more opportunities to cross is good but the pricetag is absurd still. After all, they are terraforming a hillside. I think it is a little misplaced though. We assume animals need this to cross but it seems they can take a regular old bridge just fine. You can probably build a cheap "animal only" overpass, e.g. maybe a light load mesh metal or plank bridge or somesuch, for a fraction the cost and o…

Dunning Kruger effect at work.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by embedding-shape »

HiPhish wrote: post #85
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder how the world would look if the bible had said "Respect the earth and all living beings" instead of “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion…"

All living being want to literally eat you in one way or another. You can respect the earth, but first you have to subdue it and have dominion, otherwise it will kill you.

Not at all true, plenty of herbivores out there that doesn't care for humans as nutrition. Plenty of cultures out there living side by side with earth without subjugating it, and it still hasn't killed those people.

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Post by jcranmer »

diogenescynic wrote: post #71
rootusrootus wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> infrastructure costs are like 20-50x more in California than in other developed countries Is that really true? For a simple example, it looks like a simple surface light rail line in the US typically runs about 100M/mi. That's pretty much the same as what it costs in the UK.

I may be exaggerating the exact number, but it's a well known fact that infrastructure costs more in California. The subway in San Francisco's Chinatown was more expensive than most modern airports... we're being scammed.

A "low-cost" subway is generally figured at about $80-100M/km, and in many more countries, you'd figure more like $150-200M/km as a good number.

The Chinatown subway was $600M/km, which is 3-4× "reasonable" construction costs, and fairly far from the most expensive subway, which is I believe NYC's Second Ave phase 2, at almost $4000M/km.

The US in general is a high-cost construction country (for a variety of reasons), but relative to the rest of the US, California is neither particularly expensive nor particularly cheap.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

bix6 wrote: post #75
diogenescynic wrote: post #70

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You're making my argument for me. Infrastructure costs in California are outrageously more expensive than any other developed country--for no reason other than grift.

https://transitcosts.com/transit-costs-study-final-report/ Wow look New York is expensive too! It’s almost like it’s the entire country and there are other reasons besides grift.

Ah yes, let's ignore that California has spent ~$15B on high speed rail and has literally nothing to show for it... I guess that just makes sense to some people...

To me, I can't accept it when I see other countries rapidly doing these infrastructure projects at a fraction of the cost and multiple times faster. Compare our costs to Switzerland or any other high income developed first world country--we're off the charts. It makes no sense other than lobbyists and environment lawyers and other ticky-tack bullshit that helps no one.

I also see it as a longterm competitive disadvantage and liability for the country. We can't complete big projects any more without squandering most of the tax payer money. It also lowers our quality of life when we're spending this much time in traffic and wasting our tax money for such little to show for it.

Re: Zero roadkill as Amazon canopy bridges secure 15,000 crossings

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Post by diogenescynic »

bix6 wrote: post #74
diogenescynic wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe it's just a good project for lawyers and lobbyists to get kickbacks...

What are you even on about dude…

You think $115M is a reasonable price to build a 200 foot bridge that doesn't have to support any real heavy weight? You wouldn't rather have that money spent on you know... humans? The money is skimmed off the top by the people who pay for the politicians to get elected who sign off on these projects. It's all about money and political patronage.
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