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US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#81
post #77

Glad to see progress made on this. In my 20s, I strongly considered taking some time off to create and drive petitions across the Pacific states to put us all on permanent PDT (matching Arizona). In my research, I saw it would take an act of Congress to make that happen, so I stood down.

> to put us all on permanent PDT (matching Arizona). Arizona is (wisely) on permanent standard time.

Yes, but PDT = MST

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#82
post #37

Studies have been conducted about the safety of sticking to one time. The ones who are the most vulnerable are kids waiting for buses in the dark. We can't move to dynamic school times because we are still working the same paradigm as the industrial revolution- same schedule every day, year in year out. And society is simply too divided and fractured, and the motives too hidden and craven, to decide to move en masse…

To the degree kids are standing around outside, they're already in the dark in northern US states (to say nothing about Canada and areas of Europe) for part of the year even with standard time. And, yes, dynamic school schedules don't work because they need to be synced at some level with work schedules. A one-time shift might work though. I mostly don't have a dog in this hunt. I pretty much set my own schedule abse…

> To the degree kids are standing around outside, they're already in the dark in northern US states

It's a continuum, not a discrete state. Even in the northern states, they're out in the dark for perhaps 4-6 weeks. Now that will get extended to, say, 10+ weeks.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#84
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anybody actually work 9-5 (ie 7 hours assuming they take a break or two)?

Most of us. (It's actually 8-5 with an hour's break).

Which was my point - 9-5 isn't really a thing, it's usually 8-5 or 9-6 or worse. If we're going to adjust time zone, we should at least agree on when most people are/are-not at the office/school/farm fields/etc.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#86

Permanent standard time means less sunlight time after work. Permanent DST means kids walking to school in the dark. Changing the clock twice a year fixes that and lets us avoid both, with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards. It's like ripping off the bandaid, instead of doing a slow agonizing pull that lasts months. And yes, I know some people take like 6 weeks to adjust and they will complai…

> with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards

Tell me you never had issues with sleep without telling me you never had issues with sleep.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#87
post #35

Permanent standard time means less sunlight time after work. Permanent DST means kids walking to school in the dark. Changing the clock twice a year fixes that and lets us avoid both, with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards. It's like ripping off the bandaid, instead of doing a slow agonizing pull that lasts months. And yes, I know some people take like 6 weeks to adjust and they will complai…

I agree permanent standard time is a better solution. But maybe we change work to 8-4 from 9-5 and might be better that way anyway.

Fuck all the night owls, right?

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#88

Boo, hiss. Permanent Standard Time is better in every way https://savestandardtime.com/

Boo, in the age of AI we need two dimensional time zones which skew the clock a few seconds every night, continuously, so the sunrise is always at 6 am. Humans were made to rise with the sun.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#89

Boo, hiss. Permanent Standard Time is better in every way https://savestandardtime.com/

Boo! Permanent Dawn time is better. Every day at 03:00, set the time when the upper limb of the sun will cross the sea-level horizon at the equator to 06:30. That means kids never have to wait for the bus in the morning in the dark, except at high latitudes in winter but who cares about those kids right? /s

That is actually better in every way! Assuming the time zones are 2D so the dawn is local. It would probably cut down on cancer rates, too, by harmonizing circadian rhythms.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#90
post #76
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are aware that at least much of Europe uses a similar system to what the US uses today?

Europe is less than 8% of the world's population. The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time. Europe is wrong 50% of the time. The US[1] will be wrong 100% of the time. It can mostly get away with this because it spans the continent. But still, you're going to deal with the stupidity that crossing the Mexican border you will always have to correct your…

Meanwhile, China has one timezone so I sort of doubt that DST registers given that.
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