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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by trollbridge »

x0x0 wrote: post #61
giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

I used to run a hybrid mobile app + webapp company. Private emails regularly lead to awful customer service interactions because people cannot tell us the email they used to register. Fastmail at least is off the beaten path enough that people probably can understand. Apple, especially using sign in with Apple, is horrid. And not just people unable to tell us the email; they then create multiple accounts; try to sign…

It’s up to the app architect to make a way to make this work, and to stop using emails as anything other than a UUID type of token

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by jonotime »

Pro tip for doing something like this without apple. Buy or get a cheap domain name. Create a subdomain on it and have it catch and forward all messages to you when sent to that sub. For example:

nytimes@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail

anything-else@mailsub.example.com -> jono@gmail

You dont even need to materialize aliases at all.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by lenerdenator »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #25
MoonWalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COUGHredditCOUGH

IDK I’ve appreciated Reddit killing off good features like old version, putting a time-lock banner on mobile while logged out, trying to block VPNs when logged out, etc. I want that company devalued and bought by Verizon or AOL to die a Yahoo death. What is insane to me is how few people realize their stock has a higher P/E than nVidia… and it isn’t because of some bullshit minor AI data deals. It’s a youth-forward n…

> I want that company devalued and bought by Verizon or AOL to die a Yahoo death.

If the future's your oyster for what happens to Reddit, why stop there? If it's bought by somebody, that implies that Spez gets an amount of money that is greater than $0.00. Ideally, we avoid such a grim and unjust outcome. We want it to be made effectively worthless so he goes broke.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by snowe2010 »

w10-1 wrote: post #6
mortenjorck wrote: post #2

> Long story short: now both Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email aliases are going to be issued on the @private.icloud.com subdomain. This makes it much easier to ban all aliases without affecting non-relay mailboxes on iCloud mail. Could someone clarify why having Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email on the same domain would make a blanket ban easier rather than harder? What am I missing?

Before, the emails were "me@icloud.com", the default for all apple users. There was no way to distinguish normal emails from generated private emails. Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com", so it will be easy to ban the generated/private email that reduces the ability to associate logins across services. Unclear why Apple would shoot themselves in this way; I hope it's not Ternus complying with anti-privacy.

But it’s not? Like if they block that subdomain, they will completely block Sign in with Apple.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by wartijn_ »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #77
c7b wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind trusting another company with forwarding your emails, it's definitely less hassle to set up an equivalent service for yourself.

If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by Terretta »

risyachka wrote: post #12

Shameless plug - I created a chrome extension that allows to create unique email addresses that forward to your real inbox. It uses Cloudflare email routing, simplifies creating/labeling of new addresses and keeping track of them. Always 1 click away. The addresses are pre-allocated and recycled when deleted so creating a new one is faster that with Apple's hide my mail. https://github.com/webmonch/hide-my-mail-cloud…

Pretty good way to harvest magic links and email codes!

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by SXX »

reaperducer wrote: post #47
w10-1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before, the emails were "me@icloud.com", the default for all apple users. There was no way to distinguish normal emails from generated private emails. Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com", so it will be easy to ban the generated/private email that reduces the ability to associate logins across services. Unclear why Apple would shoot themselves in this way; I hope it's not Ternus complying with anti-privacy.

Now, they will be "blah@private.icloud.com" I've been in the ecosystem long enough to have .iCloud.com, .me, .mobileme.com, iTunes.com, and probably one or two more addresses all assigned by various Apple services over the years before they started unifying the systems. They all work, and independently of one another. I wonder if all the domains will be migrated, and how namespace collisions will be handled.

Apple stated legacy aliases will work as is:

> Existing addresses on the legacy domains will continue to work and forward mail to users without interruption.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #77
c7b wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind trusting another company with forwarding your emails, it's definitely less hassle to set up an equivalent service for yourself.

If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Nah. I have hosted my domain for 17 years on google and then fastmail. The hosting is harder than private relay, although not too hard.

But I have only had maybe 3 services ever reject my domain, and those were because the domain contains a number.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by snowe2010 »

9dev wrote: post #54
KiDD wrote: post #46

I guess I don't understand the concern... what does it matter if a different domain is used for Sign in with Apple and Hide My Email?

Because many sites check the domain part of your email address against a blocklist, which contains entries like trashmail.com to prevent users from signing up with ad-hoc throwaway accounts. They don't want that, because they'd like to get a proper lead they can either track, sell, or reach out to. Now Hide My Email allowed you to do just that: Create an account with an email that wasn't tied to your identity, and th…

But that will completely break Sign in with Apple, which no service is ever going to do. I really don’t get the problem here.
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