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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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How can you make such bold and generic claims without some data backing it?

actuaries look for data. visionaries take leaps in faith. There was no data proving LLMs will work at scale. Google waited for the Data. OpenAI and then Anthropic took the leap of faith. The result is there for all to see. The core attribute of a successful AI Researcher was were they AGI-pilled and not were they waiting for data for unknown unknowns?

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!

they would kill their own product if they did this

it would be like if tsmc started designing their own chips to compete with the people they sell their services to, they have more to gain by limiting their participation to a specific corner

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Half of my customers will drop them right away, and the other half, after I explain to them what this means.

It's only for this model, not the one you're already using. And they're not training on the data. It's supposedly to detect abuse etc (such as someone retrying repeatedly with different variations to get around their protections)

Yet

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Didn’t they all but admit they’ve been storing and actively looking at requests with this post: https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist... ? If they weren’t storing, they’d be oblivious to what customers are doing, making this kind of detection impossible. What data did they train their classifier on, if not real user (distiller) traffic?

Why can’t they have trained the classifier on internal red teaming?

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Pretty incredible just how much good will Anthropic managed to burn.

Are they really burning good will? For many users this is a deal breaker. But for the general public, politicians, etc they’re stamping “safety” on their brand.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #83
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only for this model, not the one you're already using. And they're not training on the data. It's supposedly to detect abuse etc (such as someone retrying repeatedly with different variations to get around their protections)

Yet

Maybe, but to do so they'd need to offer new terms of service and we'd have to accept. I believe they'd lose a lot of their core business market if they did so.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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post #85

Pretty incredible just how much good will Anthropic managed to burn.

Are they really burning good will? For many users this is a deal breaker. But for the general public, politicians, etc they’re stamping “safety” on their brand.

Surveillance is always advanced as a safety measure.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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« Trust us, we’re doing this for the good of humanity » (fills pockets with stock value and externalities from data center polloution) « No seriously trust us , at least we’re not Sam Altman »

Update: « Oh and we’re the only ones who will stop AI from turning into SkyNet and eating your babies, you just have to pay us to make sure we invent SkyNet first »

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