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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by vntok »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #34
pseudosavant wrote: post #3

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Half of my customers will drop them right away, and the other half, after I explain to them what this means.

You must have very unrepresentative customers. What will they use?

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by nmfisher »

Sol- wrote: post #21

Fortunately I can't use Fable anyway, since their hyperactive content flaggers do not let you work on anything remotely biological or medical related (i.e. parse a CSV with some medical content, nope, you're probably a bioterrorist) and you get downgraded to Opus immediately.

I'm not even working on anything biological/medical, almost all PyTorch work is getting flagged (not even a safety notice and a downgrade, just an outright refusal with "this is against our ToS").

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by dannyw »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #23
pseudosavant wrote: post #3

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Even worse when you git push something Microsoft gets all your code!

Yes, that is your intended purpose of “git push”, it’s to save. And only if you use GitHub.

A better analogy here is probably “every time you use VS Code, the files you edit get sent to Microsoft”.

Some legitimate concerns:

• You have trade secrets. Previously; you can use services like Bedrock, etc, with signed contracts and significant reputations. Your contract is between AWS and you, and stays within your AWS security boundary.

• Security breaches. Remember when Anthropic accidentally published the source tree of Claude code? Or Meta’s recent AI recovery bot that didn’t check if the supplied recovery email was actually the email of the Instagram account? The best way to reduce your exposure is to minimise storage.

• Weaponised T&S. For example what if Anthropic decided to build a classifier for “usage in unsupported regions” that’s super overbearing (as we see with Fable) and vacuums up all context/input/output if there’s Mandarin? Contractually they could now retain it forever, not just 30 days, for ‘trust and safety purposes’ and perhaps have AI scan for any new or interesting ML techniques at scale, for Anthropic’s own use? They say just can’t train Claude models on the data.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by dannyw »

osti wrote: post #49
pbgcp2026 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were two (expensive) exceptions / alternatives so far: Bedrock and Vertex. Their Zero Data Retention was in fact contractually enforced . Now it is all f...d because of these morons at Anthropic. For now I am better off just using DS via their API. This is just a tragic moment for Tech. We just killed AI privacy. OpenAI already follows this trend and others will do too. The only hope now is ... tada .. Mistral…

Hmmm no? The only way is to deploy your own local model, using anyone else's you are at their whim on what happens to your data.

It’s not binary. With AWS previously you have contractual guarantees with a third party, that’s been in business for a couple decades, which explicitly state zero seconds of data retention - only as long as needed for inference.

Consider the security angle too. You now have to rely on Anthropic’s infrastructure security. You did not previously when you used Bedrock/Vertex/etc.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by tsunamifury »

ai-x wrote: post #13
connorboyle wrote: post #8

A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

You could not be more wrong in the aggregate.

Literally how LLMs will continue to learn to code and easily replace whatever you build with them.

Incredible that you could so blithely misunderstand this

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by usef- »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #34
pseudosavant wrote: post #3

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Half of my customers will drop them right away, and the other half, after I explain to them what this means.

It's only for this model, not the one you're already using. And they're not training on the data. It's supposedly to detect abuse etc (such as someone retrying repeatedly with different variations to get around their protections)

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by [deleted] »

bethekidyouwant wrote: post #23
pseudosavant wrote: post #3

It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…

Even worse when you git push something Microsoft gets all your code!

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by ai-x »

noncoml wrote: post #56
ai-x wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

How can you make such bold and generic claims without some data backing it?

actuaries look for data. visionaries take leaps in faith. There was no data proving LLMs will work at scale. Google waited for the Data. OpenAI and then Anthropic took the leap of faith. The result is there for all to see. The core attribute of a successful AI Researcher was were they AGI-pilled and not were they waiting for data for unknown unknowns?
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