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Re: Social Animus

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Post by nkrisc »

zozbot234 wrote: post #74
nkrisc wrote: post #73

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> I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job, and it has nothing to do with skill. It also kind of reads like they already know this about themself.

> Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job The blog post states quite clearly that this person has had regular employment in the past, which suggests they may be just as capable of it in the future. There are some bad optics in the post, but they have more to do with wanting to buy a home in SF and fly private aviation than whether OP can hold down a jo…

People have regularly done things in the past that they can no longer do in the present. I don’t know what they were like in the past but a blog post like this would concern me if I was hiring.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by actuallyalys »

kelnos wrote: post #41

It was very odd to me that she never actually says what the views or beliefs are that has gotten her into trouble with so many people. But after digging a little more, it seems she is (was? still is?) a techno-fascist in the vein of Curtis Yarvin, and, among other things, earnestly believes that the USA's form of "government" should be corporate despotism, having petitioned the White House to retire all government em…

I found this whole piece strikingly disingenuous and manipulative, and your post captures why.

I think what makes fascism appealing to some people is that it seemingly offers an explanation and solution for why their immense talent, real or perceived, has been overlooked. Justine Tunney probably has more actual talent than the vast majority of the fascists of this type but she shares the same core of grievance.

I think it’s telling too that she doesn’t really mention that many open source maintainers, if they’re paid at all, don’t get paid enough. I’m not saying every pitch for open source funding has to include this but to omit that and also to brag about being in the 99.9997th percentile certainly makes it seem like she’s indifferent to the many talented open source maintainers who are in the same boat, most of whom do not have her destructive, nihilistic, and bigoted politics.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by graemep »

dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

> This post resonates with my situation very much,

How does it resonate with your situation? What do you have in common?

Being rejected for being racist and neo-fascist? Being frustrated by not being able to afford private aviation? Wanting to raise donations to pay for a house and travel? Lots of comments here substantiating that, BTW.

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Post by gordian-mind »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #57
stratos123 wrote: post #21

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Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because it looks like Justine (who I'm not familiar with) supported Moldbug in 2014 . It was only in around 2020 when Yarvin sold out, did a 180 in his views, and became a Trumpist; in the early 2010s, he would write long posts about how populism inevitably leads to fascism, any entity who wants power cannot ever be trusted with it, etc. His political views back then…

> Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because ... in 2014. It was only in around 2020... I think you're wrong about Yarvin changing, but let's say you're right for a moment. Do you know what's easy to do between then and now? Say, "That was an error. I regret it." Do you know what hasn't been done between then and now? Yeah.

Did you make a compilation of everything they publicly said for ten years, in order to check whether your statement is correct?

Re: Social Animus

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Post by [deleted] »

brabel wrote: post #66
cowpig wrote: post #7

> Right now my only source of income is the $15k/year I got by being one of the top 300 GitHub users globally. That puts me in the 99.9997th percentile of open source developers (based off GitHub's 100 million monthly active user count). What it means is that I'm uniquely able to convert your money into the largest amount of value for society. I want to start by using the money to buy myself a home in San Francisco,…

This is a bizarre post by a brilliant person. I am a fan of her technical skills and I actually enjoyed her previous writing about CosmopolitanC, Redbean, llamafile… I can’t imagine how she could have problem finding jobs she is happy with given her talent. But this post just doesn’t feel right, I would guess she is suffering from depression or something. If Justine reads this, your views seem to align well with Andr…

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Re: Social Animus

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Post by gordian-mind »

bbor wrote: post #36
orthecreedence wrote: post #34

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Wait, is she legit a Trump supporter? I see stuff about praising various tech lords but haven't seen anything saying she supports Trump.

Fair, I should caveat that heavily! She linked to a thread on the Linux forums (?) where that accusation was leveled by a few people using their real names, but I didn't do that research myself. I've never heard of this person, so that's not from previous knowledge either. I'll say this: given that and the top comment under this very post, I think it's undeniable that Justine has certain very conservative views that…

"Wow it turns out I just invented something damaging about someone, let me just equivocate that it's not so bad to lie about this, since I think they're a bad person anyway."

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Post by palmotea »

camgunz wrote: post #72
kelnos wrote: post #42

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This isn't an ego problem (though I think she may additionally have an ego problem). The author has espoused techno-fascist views (something she avoids actually mentioning in this post), and that seems to be the real reason why many people are uncomfortable working with her.

Like what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Tunney:

> In 2012, Tunney started working for Google as a software engineer.[4] In March 2014, Tunney petitioned the US government on We the People to hold a referendum asking for support to retire all government employees with full pensions, transfer administrative authority to the technology industry, and appoint the executive chairman of Google Eric Schmidt as CEO of America.[5][6] Tunney has been inspired by the political views of Curtis Yarvin.[7]

This person seems to be extremely online and Wikipedia has a petty high bar for inclusion of things like that. I wouldn't be surprised of their social media was littered with even more extreme things (like support of slavery, which the talk page mentions).

Re: Social Animus

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Post by camgunz »

palmotea wrote: post #87
camgunz wrote: post #72

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Like what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Tunney : > In 2012, Tunney started working for Google as a software engineer.[4] In March 2014, Tunney petitioned the US government on We the People to hold a referendum asking for support to retire all government employees with full pensions, transfer administrative authority to the technology industry, and appoint the executive chairman of Google Eric Schmidt as CEO of America.…

Thanks! I don't know, a cheeky petition and an off-hand tweet don't seem conclusive or comprehensive to me.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by palmotea »

camgunz wrote: post #88
palmotea wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Tunney : > In 2012, Tunney started working for Google as a software engineer.[4] In March 2014, Tunney petitioned the US government on We the People to hold a referendum asking for support to retire all government employees with full pensions, transfer administrative authority to the technology industry, and appoint the executive chairman of Google Eric Schmidt as CEO of America.…

Thanks! I don't know, a cheeky petition and an off-hand tweet don't seem conclusive or comprehensive to me.

Of course, but if it's managed to make it on to Wikipedia, it's probably the tip of the iceberg.

Feel free to make the conclusive and comprehensive survey of their online presence, and report back your findings.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

gordian-mind wrote: post #84
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #57

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> Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because ... in 2014. It was only in around 2020... I think you're wrong about Yarvin changing, but let's say you're right for a moment. Do you know what's easy to do between then and now? Say, "That was an error. I regret it." Do you know what hasn't been done between then and now? Yeah.

Did you make a compilation of everything they publicly said for ten years, in order to check whether your statement is correct?

That is a deeply unserious question. I have a hard time believing you've asked it in good faith.
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