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Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by krackers »

simondotau wrote: post #69
LeoPanthera wrote: post #16

My search for a "just a text editor" ended with "CotEditor". It's Mac native, not Electron, and supports both RTL and vertical text. All I could ever want.

The built-in TextEdit (in plain text mode) is also a perfectly cromulent minimum viable text editor.

I wonder if anyone has taken the source of TextEdit [1] and added some minor niceties to just make it slightly more convenient for text editing (like adding line numbers).

[1] https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/samplecode/TextE...

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by e28eta »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #50

I just checked, and it looks like I have been using BBEdit for almost 35 years (It was initially shareware). Siegel still manages it (I don't know if he is still the main coder). He never sold out.

It's been great software: reliably native, promptly releases updates with macOS changes (I had a retina-capable text editor before I had a retina display for my mac), and consistently updated to fix bugs. Some of the change log entries are impressively obscure.

I finally paid for my v15 upgrade ~2 weeks ago, so I wish I could take the credit for the v16 release. But given their long standing, generous policy of giving an updated license if you bought in the last N months (Nov 1st 2025 this time!), I'm actually in great shape and the meme falls very flat.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by kstrauser »

dchest wrote: post #77
kstrauser wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and that's universally true for all APIs. All of those have added new features that are widely adopted by other apps, and the older apps can't automagically start using new features without using a newer API, or having code added to take advantage of them. For instance, an app can't start using Apple Intelligence if it's compiled with an older version of the SDK that doesn't know that such a thing exists. There…

> For instance, an app can't start using Apple Intelligence if it's compiled with an older version of the SDK that doesn't know that such a thing exists. That's not true, it became available in all NSTextViews by default, although with a bit different look.

I’m not talking about Writing Tools but being able to run chat queries to do things, ala OmniFocus. I could see Yojimbo using features like “summarize all the docs in this folder” or “suggest the right tags for this”. It can’t take advantage of those built-in features.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by jfb »

marcelox86 wrote: post #12
jfb wrote: post #2

I wonder if it will ever get emacs tabs.

I use emacs but I don't know what you're referring to. Can you enlighten me please

The tab key in BBEdit inserts a literal tab character, or advances to a tab stop. It doesn't indent the line, which is what I would argue it should do when writing code.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by davedigerati »

I'm gdam sick of hearing about BBEdit updates and new features, I swear it's almost enough to make me buy another Mac just to get this amazing godlike editor back again, fk I miss it so bad... quit torturing me BareBones

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by iknowstuff »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #76
iknowstuff wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re in the minority. There are products out there that suit you. They are not mainstream products.

Mainstream behavior doesn't necessarily mean what people want. Many try and fail to stop Windows updates, for instance. I would guess that the majority of the users of the TicketMaster app would rather not use it.

Hmmm I can’t think of a subscription app that truly doesn’t have a free/upfront/unupgraded alternative - its just that usually they come with quality issues or poor support, so people choose the better, subscription-based, auto-updating ones.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by suobset »

Just gonna chime in here to mention I am one of the users who has NOT been here since Classic mac or any sort of olden days (I mean, I was born in 2001; there are people who have used BBEdit longer than I have been alive).

My first experience with BBEdit was around 2020, and I have had a copy of it ever since on a Mac for light editing. My main dev home is JetBrains IDEs, but I find VS Code too heavy for quick text edits. That, and Shell Worksheets are enough of a game changer that it justifies the whole price.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by throwme_123 »

nofunsir wrote: post #54
pokstad wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The software world is different today. People expect you to release security updates as vulnerabilities are discovered. They expect you to fix your application so that it works on the newest macOS that deprecated and broke the old APIs you used (or switch architectures). We expect continuous maintenance for a fixed price. I wish Textmate had a yearly charge to keep their team running instead of the one time purchase…

You're making this up to justify subscription model guilt. Nobody (besides those on here) EXPECTS this. In fact, most would rather live with the risks than deal with subscription model, let alone the headaches of updating and it breaking everything (i.e. causing a chain reaction that you have to update EVERYTHING in order to fix a small non-issue). I, in fact, do NOT want continuous maintenance. Ever. I will literall…

I consider my phone scrap as soon as it stops getting security updates. Same goes for almost all proprietary software.

Open source needs updates too, but somehow we take that for granted.

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by 01100011 »

kennywinker wrote: post #19

In 1998 bbedit 5.0 cost $120 usd. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $245 usd. Today an individual license costs $60. Wild how software pricing and sales models have changed, and good on bare bones for staying away from subscription pricing.

I wish SlickEdit would take the hint...

Re: BBEdit 16

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Post by prmoustache »

pokstad wrote: post #26
kennywinker wrote: post #19

In 1998 bbedit 5.0 cost $120 usd. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $245 usd. Today an individual license costs $60. Wild how software pricing and sales models have changed, and good on bare bones for staying away from subscription pricing.

The software world is different today. People expect you to release security updates as vulnerabilities are discovered. They expect you to fix your application so that it works on the newest macOS that deprecated and broke the old APIs you used (or switch architectures). We expect continuous maintenance for a fixed price. I wish Textmate had a yearly charge to keep their team running instead of the one time purchase…

One should be able to write a text editor without security vulnerabilities.
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