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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by baby_souffle »

streetfighter64 wrote: post #50
xp84 wrote: post #37

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Pretty hard problem to tackle when you can point an "authenticated" camera at a really nice screen and snap a 'definitely real' photo of anything a screen can display :(

There's probably a technical solution, such as the camera manufacturer cryptographically signing a GPS location and timestamp together with the pixels. Like all DRM it will probably be broken though, and more importantly, would anyone (even e.g. a newspaper editor) care enough to verify the signature?

Spoofing GPS timing signals isn't as hard as it used to be. If you know what you're looking for on AliExpress you can get all the equipment you need

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by singpolyma3 »

gpt5 wrote: post #65
akersten wrote: post #14

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> [fighting against the system] is tacitly accepting the barcode. I don't really see it. I think it's important to win on both fronts.

Especially as the open weight models are really generated by corporates, and they could stop releasing them at any time.

But we'd still have them. It's not like we're gaining much with new training anymore anyway

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by kridsdale1 »

gpt5 wrote: post #65
akersten wrote: post #14

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> [fighting against the system] is tacitly accepting the barcode. I don't really see it. I think it's important to win on both fronts.

Especially as the open weight models are really generated by corporates, and they could stop releasing them at any time.

They also have built in dystopian government authority enforcement in them unless you go to pains to sever those neurons.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by SecretDreams »

transcriptase wrote: post #72
j2kun wrote: post #12

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Building a tool that tries (and probably fails) to remove the watermark (due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win) is tacitly accepting the barcode. The hacker ethos should be, first and foremost, to run open source models locally without relying on a corporation.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

Yes. Winning against piracy doesn't mean you completely eliminate piracy. It means you scare enough people into not doing it and make it a bit harder to do for others.

Losing to piracy would see companies like Netflix and Spotify not thriving.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by blanched »

transcriptase wrote: post #72
j2kun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a tool that tries (and probably fails) to remove the watermark (due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win) is tacitly accepting the barcode. The hacker ethos should be, first and foremost, to run open source models locally without relying on a corporation.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

They won the long game. Everything is rented and DRM now. Very little of what most people buy digitally is truly owned.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by free_bip »

Retr0id wrote: post #77
esafak wrote: post #13

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I have not read anyone claim that SynthID had a false alarm issue, so if it returned positive I would believe it is synthetic.

You can trivially false-flag any image by uploading it to gemini and asking it to return it as-is

That's not what the previous comment is referring to. They're referring to false positives, i.e "Gemini did not generate this (or process it) yet it says SynthID confirmed"

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

transcriptase wrote: post #72
j2kun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a tool that tries (and probably fails) to remove the watermark (due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win) is tacitly accepting the barcode. The hacker ethos should be, first and foremost, to run open source models locally without relying on a corporation.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

What? Some nerds on private trackers and kids on 123movies or whatever is not piracy winning by any material stretch.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Octoth0rpe »

nomel wrote: post #41
tredre3 wrote: post #31

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Stalin had all the resources imaginables at his disposal. Now Nancy, a tech-phobic waitress who has a grudge against her coworker can make up an entire scenario with one prompt and her colleagues might blindly believe her. Let's not pretend they're the same thing. Gen AI is inevitable. Watermarking is likely futile. But in my opinion it is still very important to discuss how, as a society, we're going to live in a po…

Simple, don't trust what you see on the internet, which has been a constant since the mid 90's when it was invented.

Adequately implementing solves one problem (the making up a story because of a grudge), but creates a whole new set of likely much worse problems: how does one maintain a democracy / civil society? It's not just the trust of "social media" that you've eroded, you've almost certainly killed trust in traditional news reporting as well, especially considering just how much of traditional media is discovered via social media.

Effective democracy requires an informed voter base. Society requires its constituents to be invested in its continuity. Neither of those is achievable when we completely discard trust.

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