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Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by Evbn » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:05 PM UTC

jQueryIsAwesome wrote: post #55

ShaneOG wrote: post #28

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The idea being that for "normal" people, doing anything through the civil justice system is far too expensive and time consuming than just paying out up front. So the choice is simply: Pay X up front and promise not to tell anyone, then be left alone OR Don't pay, attempt to fight it in court (using lawyers/solicitors/barristers) and absorbing the cost of this upfront yourself, regardless of the outcome.

New start up idea; propose the same deal to everyone that is likely to not fight in court.

That's not new, that is the tort law industry.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by netcan » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:05 PM UTC

esolyt wrote: post #33

netcan wrote: post #26

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"if you keep that music for longer than you need to decide whether to buy it or not" I never understood how people came up with the caveat about trying before you buy. To me, it always seems to make a mockery of the whole thing even more. DOwnload an album. Listen for a couple of days. Go to the record store. Buy a CD. Throw it in the trash. Keep listening on your ipod guilt free, but still illegally. Anyway, my poin…

You have a point. But if you prefer listening on your iPod, you would buy the MP3 instead of a physical CD.

You already have it on your ipod (you downloaded before buying remember?)

Buying the CD is just of way of paying.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by Evbn » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:07 PM UTC

lysol wrote: post #56

Yikes, I wouldn't let a 9 year old go to the Pirate Bay on her own. Unless you're running adblock there are some pretty R-rated banner ads on TPB.

Eh, if they don't know what that stuff means, no harm done, and if they already know, no harm done. -Fred Small

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by Evbn » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:10 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #31

lelandbatey wrote: post #7

I really don't like the sensationalist "pull at the heart strings", vibe in this title. I it feels a bit misleading and over-dramatized just to cause controversy. I get what they're trying to say, I but there has to be a better way to say it.

I wasn't sad, I was laughing! I mean, come on. Pirates cause organised crime to flourish and terrorists to be financed, right? What a dastedly 9 year old, with her Winnie the Pooh laptop! Incidentally, I'm sort of interested where you can get a Winnie the Pooh laptop as I have a 5 year old daughter.

https://www.google.com/search?q=laptop%20decals

Try not to buy a pirated image.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by bct » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:18 PM UTC

antidoh wrote: post #60

Don't buy music controlled by the RIAA. Just don't. The only way to stop them is to starve them. They're major campaign contributors, so the law will never be on our side until they're gone. And by the way, don't download said music from sharing sites or friends. Artists need to see that we won't pay them any attention, with wallets or ears, if they associate with known extortionists.

A boycott isn't made up out of individuals. Doing this is a waste of your effort unless it's part of a focussed campaign.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:20 PM UTC

mylittlepony wrote: post #39

c1sc0 wrote: post #23

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at least over here in Germany it has been ruled that the parents can't be blamed for their children's internet use. If all else fails, blame it on the kids ;-)

Until what age would they be considered children for this ruling?

Presumably the legal age of responsibility, at which point they become responsible for their own actions.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:25 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #82

esolyt wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point. But if you prefer listening on your iPod, you would buy the MP3 instead of a physical CD.

You already have it on your ipod (you downloaded before buying remember?) Buying the CD is just of way of paying.

Unfortunately this kind of retrospective format shifting isn't legal in a bunch of jurisdictions.

In the UK one commits two separate acts of copyright infringement by purchasing a CD, ripping it to their computer, and then copying the files to a portable music player.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by mhurron » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:28 PM UTC

smoyer wrote: post #46

ashray wrote: post #3

Clicked through to the article hoping to see a picture of the laptop. Was not disappointed! :) On topic though, this just shows how ridiculous the MAFIAA is getting these days. Unfortunately, this episode played out negatively on the artist as well - who probably had nothing to do with the event. So piracy harms the artist, but in this case the MAFIAA hurt the artist even more by prosecuting someone for it [1] ? Not…

The picture I have in my head now is a group of police gathered around a Winnie-The-Pooh laptop listening to the latest Chisu music.

I envisioned the music video to Weird Al's "Don't download this song."

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by aes256 » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:29 PM UTC

DigitalSea wrote: post #30

robryan wrote: post #22

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You always have the right to refuse though and have the courts sort it out, should they choose to pursue a case.

If you or I tried to do this, we'd be sued into oblivion for blackmail because that's what this is, blackmail. Pay us money and we won't tell on you. This world is messed up.

There have been more egregious examples of this with regards to piracy of pornography.

A few of the accused tend to stand up (grandparents who don't even own a computer, etc.) but I bet most just pay up to avoid the embarrassment of being dragged through the courts accused of pirating some smut.

Re: Police Raid 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay Girl

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Post by philbarr » Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 4:33 PM UTC

jeremyjh wrote: post #72

philbarr wrote: post #52

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Yes, it's always seemed odd to me, from a moral point of view, that it's perfectly fine for them to copy music easily (and hence make huge profits) but it's not ok for us to copy music. If you look at the history of the music business, musicians used to not make very much money and only got paid for gigs. If you were good you could ask for more from your punters per gig, and if you were REALLY good you could hold con…

That is still how it is for nearly all musicians. Even a platinum record will not make as much money as the accompanying tour for many bands.

Yes, the problem is not the musicians per-se, it's the music industry that surrounds them. They make a fortune copying and selling music, and get all upset about it when other people want to copy music.

I know there's a lot of effort that goes into creating and producing an album, but that's a pittance compared to how much an album will make. And it's not like they lose money investing in lots of different bands and only a few are successful - if they're not 100% sure the album will sell (say it's a new artist) then they only lend the money to the artists. It's a loan that carries interest and has to be paid back.