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LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by treis »

Macha wrote: post #15
scosman wrote: post #10

Not sure I follow the logic. The list of profiles I visit feels like it’s my data, not the owners of target profile. By that logic can I GDPR chrome for the browsing history of anyone who has visited my site? IANAL but I thought GDPR is about getting a copy of your data, not others.

The problem for linkedin is they try to simultaneously claim that it’s the visitors data and therefore they can’t disclose it at the same time as claiming its linkedin’s data so they can sell access to it

They claim they don't have to disclose it not that they can't.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by drfloyd51 »

Wait…

LinkedIn shared a public profile a user filled out for the purposes of sharing.

Someone viewed the profile.

How exactly is it “personal data” who viewed the profile?

If I put my resume on my website, is my ISP required to tell me who visited my website? (The logs give technical data, but not the name of the person viewing.)

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by codethief »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #78
codethief wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because your site is not a person, so data related to it is not protected under GDPR.

what if the site is just a personal blog?

There is still no personal data in Google Analytics? And even if there is, that data is public.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by jjouett »

strictnein wrote: post #73

I don't quite get the "GDPR requires you to share with someone the personal details of people who happened to visit a webpage that you setup on a free website" angle here. I don't get how that's your data and not the data of the people who visited the page? That seems to violate the GDPR more than the current state, no? If I accidentally click on your profile you're entitled to my name and employer and that's your da…

Agree, I don't fully understand the argument that this would be the owning profiles data, and not either Linkedin's or the viewer's. Would you be entitled to search query data from Google because your website is in some query results, and Google has to provide you that metadata for free?

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by micromacrofoot »

theturtlemoves wrote: post #66
menno-sh wrote: post #9

Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.

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"In Ireland, people have an interesting attitude toward success—they look down on it. In America, you look at the mansion on the hill and think, 'One day that will be me.' In Ireland, people say, 'One day, I'm going to get that bastard!'"

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by boothby »

lokar wrote: post #77
duxup wrote: post #41

I'm not a fan of how LinkedIn operates ... or the culture there in general. At the same time I wonder what happens when users realize everything they look at is now more visible than ever? People just make fake accounts for browsing? Maybe it should be that way, but there's an interesting dynamic to "what you look at (even if not a full picture) is visible to some people".

Easy, sell people the option to hide their profile viewing

That's so last week; we need micro-auctions between people who want to see and people whose data is involved.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by krystalgamer »

scronkfinkle wrote: post #52
krystalgamer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

exactly, but it doesn’t pertain to you until you pay. if we assume there’s a directional graph with edges labeled as “visited”. what linkedin is offering is to traverse it backwards for a fee. what they’re demanding is ludicrous. pure entitlement that would have horrible ramifications for all social media platforms. should a gdpr export include who has unliked/unreposted your posts too? it definitely pertains to you.

"Pertains" is doing a lot of work in your argument, and you're using it wrong. The data about who viewed your profile pertains to you from the moment the visit happens. That's what that word means, so your first statement is false. The other important detail is that LinkedIn already has processed this data that definitely pertains to you, whether you paid for it or not, and are trying to sell it to you. In fact, to q…

> The argument being made for this specific feature

great display of intellectual honesty here.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by john_strinlai »

skinfaxi wrote: post #80
john_strinlai wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a generic "europe bad" comment doesnt deserve much more than a generic "america bad" comment as a reply

I would hope for better. Threads descending into nationalism are rarely interesting. > The most important principle on HN, though, is to make thoughtful comments. Thoughtful in both senses: civil and substantial https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

if that was truly the "most important principle", there wouldnt be hundreds of upvoted "ai slop", "microslop", "github has 4 9s... 89.999! lolol", etc. comments every day.

i have several other thoughts on the topic in general, and your light chastising, but its probably not the place or time.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by buzer »

drfloyd51 wrote: post #83

Wait… LinkedIn shared a public profile a user filled out for the purposes of sharing. Someone viewed the profile. How exactly is it “personal data” who viewed the profile? If I put my resume on my website, is my ISP required to tell me who visited my website? (The logs give technical data, but not the name of the person viewing.)

Personal data is data that relates to to you. What relates to you is the list of users who viewed your profile.

I think it's very close to C-579/21 which was about audit logs. In that one CJEU ruled that audit logs are personal data of you and the person who performed the action. They did allow censoring the person's name in that case (and exact timestamp), but given that in this case LI is selling this information to same person then "protecting others" rings pretty hollow.

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