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LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by bee_rider »

chasd00 wrote: post #8
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's the point. If the data pertains to you, it's yours. No "iff I pay for it".

wouldn't that mean every piece of cctv footage that has me in it also belongs to me? i don't see it (no pun intended).

I don’t think anyone has tested that in court. I wouldn’t be surprised if it should belong to you but fact that most CCTV footage is (or at least was) stored by small independent entities means that you aren’t aware that your CCTV data exists, or wouldn’t find it worthwhile to request it all.

It would be an interesting angle of attack against classic surveillance, though. If there are any vendors that store the video in some centralized system, so you can request it all at once.

But, I think there will be some hurdles, this case specifically relies on the fact that LinkedIn clearly doesn’t believe there’s any reason to keep this data private (they sell users access to it, after all).

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by zkmon »

scosman wrote: post #10

Not sure I follow the logic. The list of profiles I visit feels like it’s my data, not the owners of target profile. By that logic can I GDPR chrome for the browsing history of anyone who has visited my site? IANAL but I thought GDPR is about getting a copy of your data, not others.

Going by that logic, they shouldn't be selling your data to their premium users. Either way, LinkedIn is on the wrong footing.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by k33n »

menno-sh wrote: post #9

Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.

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Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by ajdude »

scosman wrote: post #10

Not sure I follow the logic. The list of profiles I visit feels like it’s my data, not the owners of target profile. By that logic can I GDPR chrome for the browsing history of anyone who has visited my site? IANAL but I thought GDPR is about getting a copy of your data, not others.

I think it's more like if you owned a blogspot site, and you're gdpr'ing the list of users who visited your site (given Google logged every single user who visited, and associated that visit specifically with you).

Linkedin is recording every person who visits your profile and keeps that in your user records, and they are already selling it back to you. The argument is that you have a right to that data.

Linkedin is arguing that this data needs to be protected for the privacy of those visiting your profile and the argument is that if they really believed that, they wouldn't sell it back to you, compromising that privacy anyway.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by Macha »

scosman wrote: post #10

Not sure I follow the logic. The list of profiles I visit feels like it’s my data, not the owners of target profile. By that logic can I GDPR chrome for the browsing history of anyone who has visited my site? IANAL but I thought GDPR is about getting a copy of your data, not others.

The problem for linkedin is they try to simultaneously claim that it’s the visitors data and therefore they can’t disclose it at the same time as claiming its linkedin’s data so they can sell access to it

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by k33n »

bee_rider wrote: post #11
chasd00 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wouldn't that mean every piece of cctv footage that has me in it also belongs to me? i don't see it (no pun intended).

I don’t think anyone has tested that in court. I wouldn’t be surprised if it should belong to you but fact that most CCTV footage is (or at least was) stored by small independent entities means that you aren’t aware that your CCTV data exists, or wouldn’t find it worthwhile to request it all. It would be an interesting angle of attack against classic surveillance, though. If there are any vendors that store the video…

It’s a little more complicated than that, because ultimately I control whether you see that I viewed your profile or not, even if you’re a Premium member. If I don’t want other users to see that I viewed their profile, then I don’t get to see who viewed my profile. It’s a setting.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

noutella wrote: post #7
phasefactor wrote: post #4

Love it, the article referring to a statement by a LinkedIn spokesperson: "The first part of that statement is false, as you can see from the screenshot above. Given the obvious untrustworthiness of that half of the statement, we didn't bother wasting any time trying to evaluate the second part."

They do say they won’t bother, but the rest of the article is actually precisely covering this second point, aka Article 15 of LK Privacy Policy

Rhetorical argument is rhetorical?

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by robin_reala »

k33n wrote: post #13
menno-sh wrote: post #9

Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.

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It’s about having rights, and exercising them. If companies find that difficult to work with then they’re not even hitting the minimum baseline.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by nananana9 »

zkmon wrote: post #12
scosman wrote: post #10

Not sure I follow the logic. The list of profiles I visit feels like it’s my data, not the owners of target profile. By that logic can I GDPR chrome for the browsing history of anyone who has visited my site? IANAL but I thought GDPR is about getting a copy of your data, not others.

Going by that logic, they shouldn't be selling your data to their premium users. Either way, LinkedIn is on the wrong footing.

They can spin it as "the list of profiles you visit is your data", this list they'll probably give you if requested, but in addition they're also willing to sell you others' data (the list of people who visit you).

Not precisely a nice way to put it, but it seems consistent to me.

Re: LinkedIn profile visitor lists belong to the people, says Noyb

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Post by vrganj »

k33n wrote: post #13
menno-sh wrote: post #9

Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.

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Making the lives of those that wish to exploit us and monetize our relationships on their enshittified platforms is not the same as making everyone's life difficult.
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