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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by nullc »

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #68
pesus wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

Any car that can record audio in the cabin could have information about your sexual activity. Could also argue it based on location data. Some laws require discussing very specific lists of categories of information they might have. I'm guessing this is a completionist CYA lawyer accounting for this.

Or malicious compliance by a true friend to privacy.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by smotched »

VortexLain wrote: post #78

It would have been much better to be able to disable telemetry without losing basic functionality such as navigation and safety updates. Having to choose between being spied on and having no connectivity at all is a false dichotomy.

what telemetry are you worried about if you're already sharing your exact location at all times (navigation)

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by conductr »

pesus wrote: post #59
Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Related: Mozilla did a review of different cars for privacy: ( https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti... ) >Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. [Their privacy policy] includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy. Oh, and…

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

They’re just including everything to be clear that you have no privacy in this agreement, so they don’t have to think about it too much when they realize there’s something more they can collect.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by varenc »

> For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.

I certainly appreciate that disabling network connectivity is even possible, but a bit scummy that non-Canadians have to make an in-person service appointment.

Is there some Canadian law at play here that requires they permit Canadians to disable this easily from the GUI? Would love legislation like that in the US.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by mingus88 »

bri3d wrote: post #20
janice1999 wrote: post #7

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.

I believe the "advanced" LKAS on Rivian only works on highways and relies on an "up to date" geofencing database, so that's the first-order technical reason. And I'm sure they don't exactly prioritize fixing or altering that behavior for the other reason.

This is a safety issue. I don’t think there is a “fix” for offline lane assistance that they are sitting on do avoid people from disabling telemetry

The gen 1 system uses cameras primarily. It’s not awesome lidar or AI. It needs up to date road information.

I’ve been driving down I-5, a major interstate and had it turn off on me, presumably because I hit a dead spot, as conditions were fine and I5 is one of the most popular routes there is.

I’m fine with all of this. I prefer that it hand back control to me rather than make me another statistic like Tesla’s system.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ReptileMan »

janice1999 wrote: post #7

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.

So you disable both internet and the most annoying feature after touchscreens and start stop. Double win.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by caymanjim »

VortexLain wrote: post #78

It would have been much better to be able to disable telemetry without losing basic functionality such as navigation and safety updates. Having to choose between being spied on and having no connectivity at all is a false dichotomy.

Any connectivity at all is telemetry. The connection itself reveals where you are. Navigation reveals where you are down to the meter, along with everywhere you've been, where you're going, speed, etc. What else are you worried about if not that?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dlenski »

ModernMech wrote: post #73
dmoy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they meant that ycombinator is literally a VC shop So if being VC funded puts you off an editor, being VC funded may also put you off ycombinator.com

Yes, indeed it does. I didn't feel this way until I worked for a YC-backed startup tho. I mean, YC is the first to admit that not everything needs to be VC funded and some things just aren't good fit for that funding model. I think a code editor is one of them.

> Yes, indeed it does. I didn't feel this way until I worked for a YC-backed startup tho.

Same, same.

Nothing made me skeptical about the tech industry like working for a VC-backed startup. Ugh.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by conductr »

xyst wrote: post #48
baggachipz wrote: post #34

This is the sign of a company who listens to their customers. They have received feedback saying some people don't want a connected car, so they make it an option.

Or trying to get ahead of competition such as slate.

I’m weighing whether I should get a Slate or R2 next. Yet, somehow, I feel like these don’t compete directly much. Perhaps I’m wrong. My friends with R1s would never consider a Slate. Maybe the R2 is more of a match even at twice the price.
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