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Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by SoftTalker »

al_borland wrote: post #22
happyopossum wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to keep lane availability up to date - lanes get closed for repair or realignment sometimes and it’d suck to rear-end an 18 ton grader because you don’t have current DOT info…

My assumption would be that lane keeping would be about staying in the lines ahead of you, not knowing which lanes are available on the route. Available lanes can change in real-time due to all kinds of reasons.

I think the term has been used for various capabilities over the years.

My friend's 10-year-old Toyota will chirp annoyingly if you drift over a lane line but that's all it does. It doesn't have any ability to steer the car back into the center of the lane. Is that "lane keeping"?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by tjohns »

bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

> I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA?

I would assume so. Even on older cars, service techs can typically manually push firmware updates over the OBD-II / J2534 port. Rivian's OBD-II port actually hides an Ethernet signal inside of it - so the interface is certainly there.

Fun fact: You can buy an Ethernet adapter directly from Rivian here to connect to the car's internal network: https://rivianservicetools.com/Catalog/Product/TSN00535-300-...

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by booi »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38
carlgreene wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda rich coming from someone who doesn't even have a valid SSL cert on the website in their profile bio...

What does that have to do with anything?

didn't you get the memo? If you don't set up proper SSL certificates you can't give opinions on the features you want in a car...

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by ibejoeb »

>For non-Canadian vehicles, you may reach out to Rivian Service to request that we disable the eSIM card in the vehicle through a service appointment.

Why is that? I really don't want to bring it to the shop to turn off the radio. In Canada it's a toggle in the settings. Is there Canadian legislation mandating this or something?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by rationalist »

janice1999 wrote: post #27
happyopossum wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to keep lane availability up to date - lanes get closed for repair or realignment sometimes and it’d suck to rear-end an 18 ton grader because you don’t have current DOT info…

It does say lane "keeping" not lane "changing". I assume it's the safety feature to remain in the lane.

I've seen lanes on highways that abruptly end with zero markings or signs - the concrete barriers just force you into the other lane just as you realize what's going on.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dmoy »

boringg wrote: post #54
nathanmills wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News is not for you then.

There is a healthy dose of VC skepticism here. HN is here for that.

I think they meant that ycombinator is literally a VC shop

So if being VC funded puts you off an editor, being VC funded may also put you off ycombinator.com

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by pesus »

Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Related: Mozilla did a review of different cars for privacy: ( https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti... ) >Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. [Their privacy policy] includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy. Oh, and…

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by bri3d »

stronglikedan wrote: post #44
bri3d wrote: post #33

> limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle: ... over-the-air updates, which provide new ... safety enhancements ... I wonder what happens if you disable the e-SIM (in the US) and then a safety recall appears via software update - do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? This is a huge unresolved issue with EVs IMO; ICE cars are required to provide emissions-relevant updates over sof…

> do dealers have any way to update control modules besides OTA? I get some updates OTA, but the dealer has to install some others, and when I took it there they updated it with a USB stick.

Nice, thanks for the reply; this is surprisingly undocumented online. Presumably if they got cornered and the module under repair was updatable via this mechanism they'd have some ability to use that system, then. I wonder how charitable they will be about using it for non-recall updates for customers who have solely chosen to opt out.

Rivian are probably the only major manufacturer I've never had a chance to look at in any RE capacity and I'm getting more curious by the second. The reaction their vehicles had to the infamous bricked-infotainment update actually represented a pretty good adherence to safety guidelines (the drivetrain as well as the speedometer and warning lights on the cluster still worked in a degraded format even when the infotainment was bricked) IMO, so they do seem to apply a reasonable degree of care.

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