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Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by Pay08 »

pogue wrote: post #16
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here

I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those. Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

I don't know if Edge supports MV2, but they do have uBlock available and it works just as well as on Firefox.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ximm wrote: post #49
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here

Firefox supports webRequestBlocking with MV3, so even if they fully remove support for MV2, ad blocking is still available.

Mozilla refused to approve MV3 version of uBlock Origin

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by spockz »

6ak74rfy wrote: post #66
userbinator wrote: post #55

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As long as MITM proxies still work (which is something that Enterprise customers demand --- even the notoriously-closed Chrome needs to), it will always be possible to filter pages outside of any browser. I've been using one for over 2 decades and it works in any browser. However, I am also concerned that this is an "embrace extend extinguish" move.

Tell me more, what's your setup. I use uBlock Origin in Firefox and network ad blocker. Wondering what other options are there.

In general, install a proxy which has its own certificate, resign every tls session with those keys, add the certificate of the proxy as a trusted certificate on your device.

I’m not familiar with off the shelf solutions for this that have ad blocking built in. Also ads are injected by JS so you need a mechanism to detect that.

More and more ads are now served from the same domain as the site making it harder to distinguish them from real content.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by lxgr »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #6
devsda wrote: post #3

I hope this isn't a precursor to removing support for other AdBlock addons(MV2) citing native availability of an AdBlock engine and then gradually shift to acceptable ads etc.

The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here

What exactly is your gripe with MV3?

Many people seem to treat it synonymously with "no more procedural request blocking", but that's not a thing Mozilla ever did:

> For Manifest V3 extensions, Chrome no longer supports the "webRequestBlocking" permission (except for policy-installed extensions). Instead, the "webRequest" and "webRequestAuthProvider" permissions enable you to supply credentials asynchronously. Firefox continues to support "webRequestBlocking" in Manifest V3 and provides "webRequestAuthProvider" to offer cross-browser compatibility.

The permission model also seems much more reasonable (less permissions have to be requested upfront at install time) than MV2, so I actually hope Firefox does deprecate it at some point.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-manifest-v3-adbl...

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by lxgr »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #82
ximm wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox supports webRequestBlocking with MV3, so even if they fully remove support for MV2, ad blocking is still available.

Mozilla refused to approve MV3 version of uBlock Origin

That's a problem, but an almost completely orthogonal one to MV2 being deprecated.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by potatoproduct »

nuker wrote: post #60
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #47

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>Last holdout is Safari now Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

> Why do people say crap like this... 1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first. 2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first. 3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopte…

Apple only does things to progress their own business model. Apple failed at becoming an ad business so they pivoted to subscriptions and app revenue. Now they are building an ad business. Just look at their ad revenue.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by lxgr »

charleslmunger wrote: post #8
zephyreon wrote: post #5

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Could definitely be writing on the wall that MV2 support will be deprecated in the future but imo not necessarily a bad thing if it’s not actively developed anyways. Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features. That said, if this is writing on the wall I’d hope they’ll listen to the community this time and allow the engine to be extend…

>Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features. There is no feature Firefox provides that is more differentiating than ublock origin. As long as pages load and security issues are patched it is the reason to choose Firefox as a browser. What would they prioritize over it?

And there's nothing in MV2 that uBlock Origin needs that doesn't exist in MV3 on Firefox, unlike Chrome. This issue is completely overblown.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by trueno »

16bitvoid wrote: post #59
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #48

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You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.

The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

what's the diff between lite and full? i dont even remember what i use on safari, wipr or something. mostly use firefox but sometimes i casually just let things launch in safari

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by nirui »

Great. Coming just in time when people think the "main stream" browsers are too boring.

I'm actually glad to see Mozilla has grown a little bit "predatorial" if it can bring good to the users. The implementation is polite too, as it lets you know there was an ad been muted.

There's a lot of things that can still be done in the browser space. For example, one-click login even without entering email, easy purchase without the website ever collecting your card number (or other financial detail beyond necessary), etc etc. Ads can also be improved too, by making them not violating nor annoying.

The possibilities are still great, I hope Mozilla can figure out a way to tap into it.

Re: Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine

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Post by trueno »

Steve6 wrote: post #9

I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking. My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice. I would…

i've never known what to think about brave because it was being pitched by cryptocurrency bros so i've always ignored its existence. who are these guys and is it genuinely good software?
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