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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

mrvaibh wrote: post #39

This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism. Cloudflare hosts hundreds of thousands of services behind shared IP ranges — blocking one IP to stop a piracy stream takes out everything else on that IP, including Docker registries, API endpoints, and CDNs that have nothing to do with football. The real fix on your end until Spain sorts this out: set up a pull-through regis…

> This is a great example of why blanket IP blocking is such a terrible enforcement mechanism

AFAIK, they're not doing "blanket IP blocking", they're intercepting requests based on DNS and IP, and try to serve their own certificates and their own content. Obviously, in most cases it fails, as the certificate doesn't match the site, so the browser rejects it, but as far as I can see and tell, there is no "blanket IP blocks", more like "DNS and IP interception".

The difference doesn't really matter in practice, sucks regardless, but I thought I'd clarify for the ones who are not experiencing these blocks themselves at least.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by littlecranky67 »

torben-friis wrote: post #71

As a Spaniard, I would be very happy it cloudflare stops serving Spain. The situation is beyond stupid and I know without international pressure and shaming we're not getting rid of this abuse.

They should at least do a single "awareness day" during which they block the same IPs and sites they are ordered by court, as if there was a football match on. Ideally with a 7 days public notice announcement. Probably won't happen though, as their contractual obligation won't allow for voluntary suspension of services.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

vaylian wrote: post #3

This is a know issue and it is completely fucked up: https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/cloudflar... What Spain does is basically censorship and it's very poorly executed. The docker image registry is only one out of the many collateral victims of this stupid law.

> What Spain does is basically censorship and it's very poorly executed

Basically? It is censorship, with huge collateral damage and regardless of how much we complain or share evidence that the blocks are actually financially harming us, no one seems to care as long as La Liga gets to freely block whatever hoster of websites as they wish.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by encom »

estebank wrote: post #60
the_gipsy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ridiculous and wrong what LaLiga does. But it's also a weakeup call to consider ditching cloudflare's centralization.

The companies relying on cloudflare won't be in Spain. If you buy a GPS tracker by a Canadian company, developed in India, manufactured in China, they are unlikely to know, even it they cared, that a single country that accounts for a tiny percentage of their sales breaks fundamental internet infrastructure on the regular "because fútbol y dinero". And when purchasing a product, there's no "bill of materials" telling…

>fundamental internet infrastructure

I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent.

Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by post-it »

adrian_b wrote: post #53
petcat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rampant bot traffic and scrapers are the real cancer. Until that goes away everyone is going to need cloudflare or some other bot firewall service.

Perhaps that is true, but the Cloudflare anti-bot protection is too stupid and annoying. They should have used a cookie or something else that does not require asking me every few minutes to prove once more that I am not a bot. There was a time when Cloudflare had become less intrusive, but for the last months it has begun again to intervene almost each time when opening some pages. There is no doubt that anti-bot pr…

You're getting frequent verification requests because you're behaving like a bot. Are you modifying your user agent string or using a VPN?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by embedding-shape »

richwater wrote: post #42

Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.

Spain isn't a perfect country, I don't think any is. But the economy isn't in shambles, only someone who doesn't know what they're talking about would say anything like that. It does suck that La Liga can wield so much power, agree, but this is not related to the economy at all...

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by spwa4 »

n6242 wrote: post #77
michaelt wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Pirates would rather not be blocked, so they create a new, disposable website for every game. Any blocking must happen fast. Cloudflare would rather not block websites without a court order specifying the sites to be blocked. The courts would rather not create a special fast lane through the courts, just to resolve a squabble between…

> The football league would rather not have pirates livestream their ~90 minute games. Funny enough, I work in IT and I've had to use a VPN to be able to do my job when soccer is on, but my two non-tech-savy family members that do watch soccer using pirate livestreams say that they've never had any issues with blocked streams.

But you must realize, the alternative to this is that some very wealthy Spanish companies ... lose a small amount of money.

Surely you understand now. Go about your business, poor person.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by lentil_soup »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
freetanga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

how do you make claims, here: https://usuariosteleco.digital.gob.es/? Can't find a way of doing it with Cl@ve
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