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Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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geraneum wrote: post #36
toyg wrote: post #18

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It's supposed to show to regional US allies that the American military cannot really protect them, pushing them to apply pressure to end the war in the short term, and to cool their relationship with the US and Israel in the long term. It has had some effect; the emirates are desperate to find a way out of this conflict, and various figures have publicly said "the system of alliances [with the US] has worked but need…

Do Americans do what they want because they are “allowed” by gulf states?

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Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by brcmthrowaway »

andrepd wrote: post #17
tiew9Vii wrote: post #13

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Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Slight tangent, but to me futuristic cities are actually places like Amsterdam, with cozy streets and bike lanes everywhere, not places like Dubai with 16-lane freeways and a quasi-slave underclass staffing the tacky malls.

And yet Amsterdam has a world famous seedy district

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by DANmode »

hunterpayne wrote: post #63
guerrilla wrote: post #50

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You need to think that all the way through. The answer is obviously yes. Yemen is a perfect example. Iran is obviously as well. Afghanistan another great case. It is certainly possible to resist US pressure. Iran is asking the gulf countries to do that. Imagine how much better they would all be able to resist the US together as well, better than each alone.

The gulf countries hate Iran and have for a very very long time, longer than even the concept of the west has existed. Iran throwing around ballistic missiles is far more like a temper tantrum than a viable military strategy. And its a strategic gift to Trump. Whether he/we can take advantage of that, IDK.

Who is “we”, just for reader clarity?

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by geraneum »

greggoB wrote: post #44
geraneum wrote: post #36

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Do Americans do what they want because they are “allowed” by gulf states?

It (normally) has an effect on the military calculus - e.g. if the US weren't allowed to have military bases in these countries, the possibility to take such action seems less plausible.

Correct, but that's not my point. My point is whether the Gulf States can realistically dictate what the US does. Perhaps they can affect US actions, but I doubt it's that cut and dried.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by mbreese »

VoidWarranty wrote: post #2

Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

I think the easy answer is: because there are customers there. It’s a region full of major commercial and industrial companies. I can imagine that you’d want data centers close to where those customer are.

Technically, I can see challenges in power and cooling, but those can be overcome. The real question is- Are there enough customers in the region to support local data centers? I think that’s clearly yes.

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Post by echoangle »

gorgoiler wrote: post #34
VoidWarranty wrote: post #2

Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

I was thinking the same thing about cooling. I guess a high pressure heat pump can work in any environment if it compresses a gas up to a temperature that’s higher than ambient. Couple that with abundant cheap energy — sunny, oily, and gassy! — and it doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.

You can use a heat pump for any realistic output temperature but the efficiency goes down the higher the temperature difference has to be.

As long as sun and wind aren’t the main energy sources there, it might be economical but I wouldn’t exactly call it reasonable.

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Post by copperx »

FpUser wrote: post #71
mlinhares wrote: post #48

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Its sad that people think the "future" is all about owning stuff for yourself and not what the city can provide to its population.

Why is it said? Being independent to the degree possible is the best state for human being I think.

I can't imagine the logic chain that made you come to that conclusion.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

FpUser wrote: post #71
mlinhares wrote: post #48

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Its sad that people think the "future" is all about owning stuff for yourself and not what the city can provide to its population.

Why is it said? Being independent to the degree possible is the best state for human being I think.

A city whose citizens mostly drive is less independent than a city whose citizens mostly ride bicycles. Bicycling infrastructure is orders of magnitude cheaper to maintain than the same for heavier, motorized vehicles. It's not just the roadways: you need service stations, tire shops, parking lots and garages. Gasoline engine cars need gasoline distributed to stations all over the place and emissions testing. All of these things take up lots of space because motor vehicles are big.

All that bicycles really need are a (much narrower) right of way and some cheap pavement. Maintenance can be done all at home, even in a small apartment. The apparent independence available to motor vehicle drivers is an illusion afforded by massive private and public investment.

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

andrepd wrote: post #17
tiew9Vii wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Slight tangent, but to me futuristic cities are actually places like Amsterdam, with cozy streets and bike lanes everywhere, not places like Dubai with 16-lane freeways and a quasi-slave underclass staffing the tacky malls.

A lot of people don’t like bikes. I am down for salty licorice though.
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