A lot of dumb shit happens in this arena, where if you had just one smart cop, it could have been prevented. Here’s one from 2023:
Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
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Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
From reading more into the case, it seems the issue may be related to how her lawyer handled the case. They probably did “identity challenge” arguing that she is not the right person. But from Tennessee’s perspective, she was considered the correct person to be arrested, so there was no “mistaken identity” in their system. In other words, North Dakota Wanted person x and here is person x. Once a judge in North Dakota…
Yes but a judge issued the warrant in the first place. Cops did not do a proper investigation and the judge green-lighted it. It is all on the JUDGE or possibly a magistrate who approved a faulty warrant. The judge failed the poor woman. FIRE him. Then sue Clearview for big bucks.
The judge likely issued the warrant based on the detective’s sworn testimony. In most cases, a judge does not have the ability or detailed knowledge to independently verify whether the detective completed all necessary checks.
This situation likely resulted from either sloppy investigative work or an honest mistake: the detective believed her booking photo matched the individual captured on camera.
Her booking photo from a prior arrest can be found here: https://mugshots.com/US-States/Tennessee/Carter-County-TN/An...
Do we have recording of the suspect they used for the match?
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has it not been fairly common to require police officers to have a bachelor’s degree? Or an associate’s? I think recently that has been relaxed but I’ve lived in places where it was absolutely a requirement. I don’t think they’re as stupid as you suggest.
> I don’t think they’re as stupid as you suggest. I'll just leave this here: https://abcnews.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story...
It says the national average is just slightly above average IQ. Sounds fine.
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#84Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…
Yes, of course someone should have investigated, but the larger point here is that people don’t because they are being sold a false narrative that AI is infallible and can do anything.
We could sit here all day arguing “you should always validate the results”, but even on HN there are people loudly advocating that you don’t need to.
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#85The vendor they used, Clearview AI, does not allow you to request data deletion unless you live in one of the half-dozen states that legally mandate it. https://www.clearview.ai/privacy-and-requests I have suddenly becomes very interested in New York's S1422 Biometric Privacy Act.
To get your data deleted in the states that require it you have to submit a photo of yourself which I really don't want to do for a sketchy company with ties to evil billionaire Peter Thiel.
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#86The vendor they used, Clearview AI, does not allow you to request data deletion unless you live in one of the half-dozen states that legally mandate it. https://www.clearview.ai/privacy-and-requests I have suddenly becomes very interested in New York's S1422 Biometric Privacy Act.
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#87Without even looking at the AI part, I have a single question: Did anybody investigate? That's it. Whether it's AI that flagged her, or a witness who saw her, or her IP address appeared on the logs. Did anybody bothered to ask her "where were you the morning of july 10th between 3 and 4pm. But that's not what happened, they saw the data and said "we got her". But this is the worst part of the story: > And after her o…
Yes, of course someone should have investigated, but the larger point here is that people don’t because they are being sold a false narrative that AI is infallible and can do anything. We could sit here all day arguing “you should always validate the results”, but even on HN there are people loudly advocating that you don’t need to.
We can barely convince powers thar be that eye-witness testimony is unreliable, after all.
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Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t think they’re as stupid as you suggest. I'll just leave this here: https://abcnews.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story...
It says the national average is just slightly above average IQ. Sounds fine.
> Sounds fine.
Really? Maybe your perception of the "average" person is colored by where you live and who you interact with.
In any case, the dumber they are, the more lethal they are.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...
Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email. That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said." This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get…
It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968
anyone in the chain of responsibility should be punished so severely that they will be still crying about it in 2030