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Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by frankharv »

tlogan wrote: post #49
suzzer99 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US there are no consequences for people in power failing to follow procedures, laws or regulations - except for being told to stop doing whatever illegal thing they're doing, and possibly getting sued way down the line, which gets paid by taxpayers.

From reading more into the case, it seems the issue may be related to how her lawyer handled the case. They probably did “identity challenge” arguing that she is not the right person. But from Tennessee’s perspective, she was considered the correct person to be arrested, so there was no “mistaken identity” in their system. In other words, North Dakota Wanted person x and here is person x. Once a judge in North Dakota…

Yes but a judge issued the warrant in the first place.

Cops did not do a proper investigation and the judge green-lighted it.

It is all on the JUDGE or possibly a magistrate who approved a faulty warrant.

The judge failed the poor woman. FIRE him.

Then sue Clearview for big bucks.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by frankharv »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #48
bl4ckneon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email. That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said." This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get…

It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

Indeed let out on Christmas Eve with no money 1000 miles from your homeland.

Where your home was lost to foreclosure because one JUDGE did not look at the paperwork.

There should be a way to personally sue somebody when they don't do their job. Protecting the innocent. The JUDGE failed badly here.

Flimsy evidence would mean no warrant. Do your basic investigation please... Rubberstamping JUDGE caused this.

Why are they not named? Like they are a spectator. Infact they are the cause.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by strictnein »

tlogan wrote: post #32

This is a weak or misleading story about AI. First, the detective used the FaceSketchID system, which has been around since around 2014. It is not new or uniquely tied to modern AI. Second, the system only suggests possible matches. It is still up to the detective to investigate further and decide whether to pursue charges. And then it is up to court to issue the warrant. The real question is why she was held in jail…

I wish I could find the link, but I believe she was in jail on parole violation, unrelated to anything that the "AI" flagged her on.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by cguess »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #48
bl4ckneon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email. That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said." This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get…

It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

As an aside AP Style is not use an Oxford comma, and that's been the rule for 50+ years https://www.prnewsonline.com/explainer-how-to-use-oxford-com...

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by segmondy »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #48
bl4ckneon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed many important points. "The trauma, loss of liberty, and reputational damage cannot be easily fixed,” Lipps' lawyers told CNN in an email. That sounds a LOT like a statement you make for before suing for damages, not to mention they literally say "Her lawyers are exploring civil rights claims but have yet to file a lawsuit, they said." This lady probably just wants to go back to normal life and get…

It was worse than that, the reporting from an earlier story[0] ...Unable to pay her bills from jail, she lost her home, her car and even her dog. There is not a jury in the country that will side against the woman. I am not even sure who will make the best pop culture mashup - John Wick or a country song writer? (Also, what happened to journalism - no Oxford comma?) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47356968

You have more faith in the country than I do.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by rootusrootus »

AngryData wrote: post #44
jfengel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except this time the criminals are police.

They are far more often than anyone wants to admit. That's how we got 25% of the world's prison population.

AFAIK the actual cause for our high incarceration rate is that we have longer sentences. The conviction rate, for example, as compared to the UK is similar.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

strictnein wrote: post #53
tlogan wrote: post #32

This is a weak or misleading story about AI. First, the detective used the FaceSketchID system, which has been around since around 2014. It is not new or uniquely tied to modern AI. Second, the system only suggests possible matches. It is still up to the detective to investigate further and decide whether to pursue charges. And then it is up to court to issue the warrant. The real question is why she was held in jail…

I wish I could find the link, but I believe she was in jail on parole violation, unrelated to anything that the "AI" flagged her on.

She was not

Source: I live in Fargo and have been following this story closely. Everyone here is pissed

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by rootusrootus »

renewiltord wrote: post #41

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Has it not been fairly common to require police officers to have a bachelor’s degree? Or an associate’s? I think recently that has been relaxed but I’ve lived in places where it was absolutely a requirement.

I don’t think they’re as stupid as you suggest.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by frankharv »

strictnein wrote: post #53
tlogan wrote: post #32

This is a weak or misleading story about AI. First, the detective used the FaceSketchID system, which has been around since around 2014. It is not new or uniquely tied to modern AI. Second, the system only suggests possible matches. It is still up to the detective to investigate further and decide whether to pursue charges. And then it is up to court to issue the warrant. The real question is why she was held in jail…

I wish I could find the link, but I believe she was in jail on parole violation, unrelated to anything that the "AI" flagged her on.

That is the first I have heard of that. A small unexplained blurb in this article. Already in jail on parole violation..

Maybe she objected to the extradition order without good counsel.

"I aint never been to N.Dakota". She found out the hard way how the law works..

What about the banks being hit. Surely they have good cameras. This was bad mojo. I would think a Wells Fargo/BoA has a unit for this stuff.

Finincial crimes handled like this. The banks will be sued too I suspect.. Deep pockets settle out.

Re: Police used AI facial recognition to wrongly arrest TN woman for crimes in ND

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Post by frankharv »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #57
strictnein wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could find the link, but I believe she was in jail on parole violation, unrelated to anything that the "AI" flagged her on.

She was not Source: I live in Fargo and have been following this story closely. Everyone here is pissed

Thanks for clarifying.

I wonder who is slandering her more... WOW

Maybe the citys insurance carrier hired a FIRM...

They will be taking a hit.

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