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Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

estearum wrote: post #70
Buttons840 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need paper ballots because people can understand them. Election conspiracy theories are becoming a problem. Having a counting process that people can understand and trust is a feature.

Conspiratorial thinking can't be fixed with additional facts. There is no set of facts that conclusively establish any claim to someone who is already committed not to believing the claim.

Additional facts can slow the rate at which conspiracy theorists can convert others. It helps if the additional facts are visibly obvious.

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Post by aaomidi »

0xy wrote: post #63
aaomidi wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FEMA does not and should not be a part of DHS. Good try though.

Wrong. https://www.fema.gov/about

I drop the word need there.

But yes putting it as part of DHS was a mistake and mistakes can be fixed.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

paulddraper wrote: post #40
mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

How did they get elected?

Because the Democrats tried to run Biden again, despite the obvious-to-everybody signs of decline and unfitness. Then, when that became impossible to ignore, they anointed Harris. (Thereby overturning the results of the primaries, which created bad memories from the previous two campaigns.) Then Harris said that she wouldn't do anything different from Biden, despite people being tired of Biden.

And because the electorate had kind of forgotten what Trump was like, because they'd just spent four years seeing what Biden was like. There was a bunch of stuff that Biden (or at least his people) did that didn't really resonate with voters, and a bunch of them voted for "not that".

The other thing they did wrong was, they were a year late in prosecuting Trump. Trump managed to delay things out to the point that the campaign (and then the office) protected him. I don't know if Democrats delayed deliberately, so that the prosecutions would be damaging Trump as the campaign season started, but if so, they were well-paid for that bit of attempted chicanery.

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5555624 wrote: post #58
altairprime wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget racism. This administration got elected in large part because they are openly racist, delivering outcomes at a velocity that ‘Southern’ dog-whistle deniability doesn’t allow for those that do , for whatever reason, want to continue having positive or neutral reputation with those opposed to racism (which includes half of U.S. women, or more if you limit to those younger than 30) while also benefiting per…

racism was a minor factor in the 2024 election. Had Harris been white, she still would have lost. She ran a campaign that said nothing about what she as going to do, she only said how evil Trump would be. She lost the election when she was asked on "The View," a Democrat friendly show, if there was anything she would do differently than Biden. There's only one wrong answer to that question ad she gasve, saying not a…

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Post by altairprime »

5555624 wrote: post #58
altairprime wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget racism. This administration got elected in large part because they are openly racist, delivering outcomes at a velocity that ‘Southern’ dog-whistle deniability doesn’t allow for those that do , for whatever reason, want to continue having positive or neutral reputation with those opposed to racism (which includes half of U.S. women, or more if you limit to those younger than 30) while also benefiting per…

racism was a minor factor in the 2024 election. Had Harris been white, she still would have lost. She ran a campaign that said nothing about what she as going to do, she only said how evil Trump would be. She lost the election when she was asked on "The View," a Democrat friendly show, if there was anything she would do differently than Biden. There's only one wrong answer to that question ad she gasve, saying not a…

I’m not referring to any single election or opponent.

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Post by pseudohadamard »

Buttons840 wrote: post #51
mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

If they ever need a group to enforce their election ~~laws~~ executive orders, I wonder what group they might choose?

Why, Imperial Command Enforcement of course. They're a a bit like Hitler's SA (in fact one of them even dressed the part), the Great Leader sends them wherever he wants something stamped on.

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Post by [deleted] »

paulddraper wrote: post #78
apothegm wrote: post #44

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Misinformation, low voter turnout, and an electoral system that massively over-represents people living in areas of low population density and underrepresents those living in areas of high population density. That’s ignoring any possibility of interference with insecure voting or tallying computers.

> an electoral system that massively over-represents people living in areas of low population density and underrepresents those living in areas of high population density Trump won the electoral college and popular vote.

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Post by vkou »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #60
paulddraper wrote: post #40

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How did they get elected?

Centrist voters didn't understand that that inflation and monetary policy are subject to momentum.

And that you can't print a trillion dollars and have half the country not go to work for a year without pain further down the road. Which was, by the way, a Trump policy... (Not that it was an incorrect one.)

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by theshrike79 »

apothegm wrote: post #44
paulddraper wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they get elected?

Misinformation, low voter turnout, and an electoral system that massively over-represents people living in areas of low population density and underrepresents those living in areas of high population density. That’s ignoring any possibility of interference with insecure voting or tallying computers.

> low voter turnout

Why voting day isn't a federal holiday is baffling to me. Along with all the weird-ass rules about "registering to vote" and people having to queue for hours in the heat and nobody is allowed to even give them water.

I usually vote a few weeks in advance while grocery shopping, there's a booth set up at the supermarket. I can just walk in with my ID, vote and the vote is sealed in a box until the official day.

Or I can walk like 1km to the nearest school, again show my ID, vote and go home.

If I had to "register to vote", I'd most likely forget it or not bother to do it.

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