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Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by tastyfreeze »

lokar wrote: post #71
Auracle wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every bill that has ever been put forward for needing an ID to vote has had a provision for free IDs. That’s not where things get caught up. Also, it’s a pretty silly thing anyways. I don’t even drink and I still need my driver’s license quite a few times every year.

The current bill Trump is pushing for requires "documentary proof of citizenship ", this can actually be very hard. It means an original/certified birth certificate, as well as any subsequent name changes (mostly married women). This is completely unnecessary. We establish citizenship, very reliably, at time of registration. This is on of the main jobs of the registrar of voters. They have plenty of time to look up t…

Some states only require a piece of mail and checking a box saying you are legally allowed to vote to register. Then when you checkin to vote the workers are not permitted to ask for ID to prove you are the person you claim to be.

At no point during that process is there presentation of proof of citizenship.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by MengerSponge »

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Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #78
Auracle wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every bill that has ever been put forward for needing an ID to vote has had a provision for free IDs. That’s not where things get caught up. Also, it’s a pretty silly thing anyways. I don’t even drink and I still need my driver’s license quite a few times every year.

Even if the ID is nominally free, if I have to take a day off and pay for bus/train tickets to wait in line at some office, it’s not really free.

Some districts have limited DMV hours in advance of voting days.

Coincidental how these might be Democratic leaning areas in Republican states.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by ricree »

zinekeller wrote: post #57
dolni wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but also have places where getting to a government office to get such an ID is difficult or expensive Where in the US do you find it's difficult for people to get an ID? Where is it not? What percentage of the population has an ID in a place where it's difficult to get one vs somewhere it is easier? What constitutes an ID being expensive? Nearly every country in the world requires proof of citizenship to vote. How…

> What percentage of the population has an ID in a place where it's difficult to get one vs somewhere it is easier? Not the OP, but except for passports (and passport cards)... there isn't really any federal-level ID in the US (and passport booklets/cards are expensive , just a bit over $100 IIRC). The nearest equivalent in the state level are driver's licenses, which are also on the expensive side considering the an…

>but most states do not have a per se ID

Out of curiosity, do you have a source or list for this? My own home state and those around me that I've spot checked all have a state ID available as an alternative to a driver's license. My understanding was that this is the case for most states.

Unless I've misunderstood you and you meant a state ID that is completely separate from a driver's license to the point that people with a DL would have one?

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Post by smw »

nomorewords wrote: post #21
phailhaus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voter registration already requires proof of citizenship. What is the point of requiring that high bar of proof on the day of voting as well?

Why have voter registration?

One of the issues is that the US, unlike most of Europe, for example, doesn't require registering your address with your locality or police when you move.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by mothballed »

ritzaco wrote: post #12

I don't care how much maths and encryption you use, you can't get out of the fact that things can be anonymous (no one can know how you voted) or verifiable (people can prove that you only voted once) but not both. - Switzerland usually gets around this by knowing where everyone lives and mailing them a piece of paper 'something you have' - South Africa gets around this by putting ink on your fingernail I've read qui…

South Africa is in a somewhat similar situation of having a gigantic (1-10%, government is too broken to figure out where in that range) illegal immigrant population and poor access to paperwork for many citizens that would make any heavily scrutinized citizenship for registration lean heavily towards disenfranchisement of the poorer segments.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by jjmarr »

dmos62 wrote: post #31
ritzaco wrote: post #12

I don't care how much maths and encryption you use, you can't get out of the fact that things can be anonymous (no one can know how you voted) or verifiable (people can prove that you only voted once) but not both. - Switzerland usually gets around this by knowing where everyone lives and mailing them a piece of paper 'something you have' - South Africa gets around this by putting ink on your fingernail I've read qui…

You should care how much maths and encryption you use [0][1], because this is not only possible, but there are multiple approaches. [0] https://satoss.uni.lu/members/jun/papers/CSR13.pdf [1] https://fc16.ifca.ai/voting/papers/ABBT16.pdf

More important than lack of voter fraud is proving to the population a lack of voter fraud.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by giancarlostoro »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #81
lokar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current bill Trump is pushing for requires "documentary proof of citizenship ", this can actually be very hard. It means an original/certified birth certificate, as well as any subsequent name changes (mostly married women). This is completely unnecessary. We establish citizenship, very reliably, at time of registration. This is on of the main jobs of the registrar of voters. They have plenty of time to look up t…

Some states only require a piece of mail and checking a box saying you are legally allowed to vote to register. Then when you checkin to vote the workers are not permitted to ask for ID to prove you are the person you claim to be. At no point during that process is there presentation of proof of citizenship.

I have cousins from Cuba and Venezuela, hearing this sort of information is rather alarming to them to say the least.

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by RandomLensman »

ericmay wrote: post #15

Stories like this probably scare some people off from electronic voting but I don't think this is that big of a deal. When we finish voting operations in my area we load the ballots up on someone's personal vehicle and they take them down, securely, to where they need to go. That vehicle could get blown up and those ballots could be gone, though I think we could still get a record of the results. That being said for…

What would constitute a "proof of citizenship"? Would a passport be enough, for example?

Re: Swiss e-voting pilot can't count 2,048 ballots after decryption failure

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Post by DangitBobby »

delecti wrote: post #69
stetrain wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free and accessible are not the same thing. And a driver's license is not necessarily proof of citizenship.

Yep. And in fact there's been a ton of resistance for 20 years to rolling out an alternate form of driver's license which does act as proof of citizenship. See the REAL ID, which even now is only kinda a requirement to fly domestically.

I have a Real ID, and I supplied a proof of citizenship to get it. However, in my state, it's possible to obtain a Real ID without providing proof of citizenship, so my Real ID does not qualify as proof of citizenship. My passport is the only document I have that could function as both photo ID and proof of citizenship. Passports are not the easiest things to obtain and they are not free.
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