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Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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I'm always somewhat puzzled by debates around "are we in a recession?" b/c we have so many REAL TIME metrics around what people are actually doing. e.g. credit card companies have excellent data on the amount that people are spending on. Is that not enough to determine if people are spending more or less than in the past? I understand there are seasonal trend etc etc but even "how is spending on travel this year comp…

The people who are spending the most in the economy don’t need credit.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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The most compelling hypothesis I've heard for why Iran is bombing GC neighbors is in an attempt to pop the AI bubble. I obviously don't know if that's true, but that would be extremely clever and this article shows how effective it could be.

The gulf states are US allies that can much more easily be hit + cause damage.

They are Iran's regional enemies, that the US is effectively defending them from.

Spooking the their leaders + population puts a huge amount of pressure on Trump.

Iran has been successful in hitting Patriot and THAAD radars, those are massively expensive, years to replace.

If those go down, then Iran can 'terrorize' the region at will including keeping Hormuz closed.

Most of the Oil goes to China + India, and China is a supporter of Iran, so funny enough, they may be the one's to lean on Iran to open up.

At the same time China does not want to see Iran fall Venezuela style - it would put the US foot on the neck of China as they import most of their fuel.

Nobody is talking about the 'China' angle, but they have been preparing for war in Taiwan, and securing energy access with Iran - even hosting peace talks between Gulf states and Iran (huge move, USA not present) is key to that.

This is absolutely part of the 'Great Game' strategy, to take Iran Oil + relationship off the table for China. Not likely to happen.

The AI bubble is probably not a primary objective.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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Why care about oil when alternate fossil-fuel-free technologies have become mature? This could very well be the last straw to push many nations (except the U.S.) to massively buy Chinese solar panels and Chinese EVs to be oil independent.

Chinese solar panels don’t help with plastics or industrial lubricants.

There is not going to be any shortage of plastics in the medium term.

Shale oil and gas production in the US produces vast quantities of ethane as a byproduct. This ethane is cracked into ethylene, a feedstock for making plastic. There is an oversupply of the stuff.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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Why do people need those delivery services? Why can't they just cook meals at home like most people do?

Or just go pick up your own take-out food. Like do these customers not have working cars or even bicycles? I understand that there are customers who are stuck at home due to disability or caregiver responsibilities but those are a tiny niche. I've seen able-bodied young people spending a fortune on delivery services, which is just stupid.

I recently moved out of new york to new jersey. don't have a car.

my options now are either buy a car, pay insurance, maintenance etc. north $1,500/mo for the convenience of going to the grocery store or, get a subscription for all these services ~ $200/mo. and save myself the time spent back and forth doing grocery shopping. I cook 90% of my food.

not all solutions involve owning a car.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

#85

The most compelling hypothesis I've heard for why Iran is bombing GC neighbors is in an attempt to pop the AI bubble. I obviously don't know if that's true, but that would be extremely clever and this article shows how effective it could be.

> The most compelling hypothesis I've heard for why Iran is bombing GC neighbors is in an attempt to pop the AI bubble

Huh?!? ADIA, Mubadala, and the PIF are significant players but not that significant.

The Gulf States and Iran have had bad blood for generations.

There's a reason why car bombings in Al Ahvaz and Sistan-ve-Balochistan were and are respectively a constant occurrence - Khuzestani Arabs and especially Baloch from Makran are overrepresented in defense and policy roles in Gulf states like Kuwait, Qatar, UAE (especially Abu Dhabi), and Oman.

And Iran and the Gulf States (and before that the British Empire) constantly fought each other over delineating the Arabian/Persian Gulf. It was a major reason the Gulf turned to the US when facing both Iraq and Iran in the 1970s-80s.

I'm dismayed how conspiracy pilled HN has become.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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> "Do we really need to continue focusing mostly on inflation when 89% of the private economy is in a recession and the 11% which is booming — new era pursuits — are by their very nature 'disinflationary'?"

I've been thinking the same thing about Australia. The federal government has withdrawn power bill subsidies, which boosted inflation figures, causing the central bank to raise interest rates. Does it really make sense to raise interest rates when peoples power bills are going up? Wouldn't higher power bills reduce people's spending without requiring interest rates to be raised? The same with gasoline prices.

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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Since the end of WW2, and especially since the end of the Cold War, Democratic administrations have presided over significantly higher job growth than Republican administrations. https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c...

I was going to use this quote yesterday, but correlation is not causation.

I prefer the one where the national debt increases more under "fiscally responsible" republicans.

More correlation: more jobs are created and inflation is lower under democratic administrations.

GDP is also better with a Dem president, but it partially depends on the makeup of congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_p...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/deficit-us-presidents-sinc...

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

#88

I'm always somewhat puzzled by debates around "are we in a recession?" b/c we have so many REAL TIME metrics around what people are actually doing. e.g. credit card companies have excellent data on the amount that people are spending on. Is that not enough to determine if people are spending more or less than in the past? I understand there are seasonal trend etc etc but even "how is spending on travel this year comp…

Why would credit card companies release data showing that consumption indicates a recession? Surely they’re in the business of sustaining exuberance.

Because businesses and hedge funds pay for it, eg: https://usa.visa.com/partner-with-us/visa-consulting-analyti...

Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of oil used for plastics or lubricants is insignificant compared to the use of oil as energy. In the United States, lubricants use ~0.5% of all oil, and all industrial feedstock about 1%. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

Insignificant is its own minima (its an absolute) and doesn't need qualification. You're not from these parts, are you?

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Re: Most of the US economy is in a recession

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Probably referring to the "2 quarters of negative GDP" rule that was seemingly revoked under Biden.

It wasn’t “revoked under Biden.” That implies the Biden administration (or any administration) gets to define this. They don’t. Recessions in the United States are generally demarcated by NBER.¹ ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bureau_of_Economic_Re...

>It wasn’t “revoked under Biden.” That implies the Biden administration (or any administration) gets to define this.

No, not any more than "the pandemic started under the Trump administration" implies that they caused the pandemic.

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