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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by traxler »

anal_reactor wrote: post #74
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

> If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. Paying by card in 2026 is akin to sending physical letters.

Really? I guess my neck of the woods is more backwater than I thought. While paying by phone is by no means rare, paying by card is very common.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by elric »

Freak_NL wrote: post #73
elric wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Europe? Debit cards. Hardly anyone uses a credit card in a supermarket. Such sweeping statements are impossible for "Europe". It's a big place. Plenty of people use credit cards in supermarkets. But it's orthogonal to the discussion. A creditcard can be contactless or on a phone. Or on a watch.

Of course it is a big place. It is also a big place where credit cards just aren't a thing for most people: https://n26.com/en-eu/blog/taboo-of-credit That article lists some reasons why using a credit card doesn't make sense in most European countries. It's not a way to build up your credit score for one. As a Dutchman, the only way I can lower my credit score is by taking on debts (with the exception of a mortgage)…

> It is also a big place where credit cards just aren't a thing for most people

Nonsense. It's hard to find actual statistics on the number of credit cards, but it's obvious that the Netherlands are an outlier, with a paltry 0.02 credit cards per capita, vs Luxemburg's 3.98 (wtf). If I filter out the non-EU countries from the dataset below, I end up with 0.5 credit cards per capita. That's nowhere near "not a thing for most people". They're just "not a thing" in NL. Big difference.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1395502/credit-cards-in-...

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by vladvasiliu »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #60
learingsci wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it’s very hard to actually steal a cellphone since it’s always with you, whereas houses get broken into all the time.

This has to be some fascinating regional difference, because my personal experiences suggest the opposite. Would you be willing to elaborate ( in general terms/locations if too sensitive )?

I wonder if phone theft specifically hasn't (somewhat) gone down now that most are encrypted and tied to some online account by default. Maybe criminals have heard about this, and they focus on other things.

Where I live, people still carry cash (though not absurd amounts) and credit cards, and I understand that's what most pickpockets are after. Especially since, after covid, the limit for contactless payments has increased.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by ibotty »

barcodehorse wrote: post #54

I run a degoogled Samsung, keep all my banking apps in a work profile. Ive been seeing a lot of people have issues with Graphene and banking apps, but wouldn't the work profile function on there too? Could you install the Google Play Services on the work profile and run it separately to your main phone?

The problem is the device attestation. See https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... for details.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

vbezhenar wrote: post #11
riedel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is wrong with lineage in this case?

I know very little about lineageos. Their website contains very few docs, so I don't really understand what's this project is about. They don't mention Pixel 10, so I guess it's not supported. GrapheneOS website in comparison contains a lot of things to read, so after a hour of thorough reading I had good impression what GrapheneOS is.

LineageOS was one of the OG de-googled Android ROMs, renamed a few years after Android Jellybean IIRC.

This new glass UI and the Face ID kind of not working anymore since upgrading my iPhone, I think I’ll be going back to Android

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by jbstack »

elric wrote: post #68
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

I've never used a banking app on my phone, and I have no desire to. It's the least secure device I own (in spite of running Graphene). It's the most likely device to get lost or stolen. I currently have accounts with 3 different banks in Belgium. They all offer an app which I ignore. Online banking works just fine, heck, better than fine, it's excellent. One bank uses auth derived from my debit card (which I have to…

That's fine when you're lucky enough to be able to avoid a banking app, but for many banks its essentially compulsory. I can't login to internet banking without entering a 2FA code from the app. I'm even forced to have my Android settings a certain way, otherwise the app detects that my phone is "insecure" and refuses to run.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by dns_snek »

Rnonymous wrote: post #15

I wish i could switch but bank apps and contactless payments keep me on stock pixel.

I use 5 different banking apps and 3 other financial/investment apps and they all work fine, you should check compatibility with yours [1]. And to be precise, contactless payments work but not through Google Pay - I've heard that Curve is a viable alternative, and some banks might have their own systems that aren't based on Google Pay (though most seem to be).

[1] https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by lapinot »

dbdr wrote: post #70
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

Based on this resource, it seems there's very extensive testing of banking apps on grapheneOS, and the large majority works. https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Indeed, and based non-extensive, one sample approximate average testing, my own bank works like a charm on GOS.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by jbstack »

Valodim wrote: post #37
traxler wrote: post #31

For all the "My Banking Apps don't work", I'd raise one question: Do you really need access to banking apps on the go? I get that it can be handy and maybe you legit do, but I'd wager most people don't really do. If you can pay by phone you can pay by card and the card has less potentially to weirdly break. And if your bank demands a phone app to be used, you can always have a cheap stock android lying around at home…

Mobile apps are how most people do banking these days, and it shows. In my experience banking apps are a lot more maintained and modern than classic online banking interfaces. So you're not just sacrificing "on the go" banking, you are likely sacrificing use of the best interface your bank offers.

Is the UI really that important though? I assume most people use internet/app banking mainly to do two things: make payments, and look at transactions. I also assume most people don't do these things very often. Sure, a good UI is nice to have, but it isn't going to affect my life much if it's missing.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by dahateb »

I have been using GrapheneOS now for 8 month and its been quite a smooth ride. The biggest worry I had was flashing it onto a brand new Pixel phone I had just bought. Everything else works fine though. Currently using 3 (german) banking apps and I haven't had a single issue. Also still using Google apps like camera and maps. Also Gboard as the default GrapheneOS keyboard is a bit uncomfortable. Really nice that you can just remove the network permissions and it works like a charm
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