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South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Legally, yes. But everything was well-documented and publicized. As sentient creatures we can use our own eyes, ears, and judgement to come to our own conclusions in advance or lieu of a formal court ruling.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not suggesting things are as bad as a full on insurrection. But it’s not a great leap of imagination to compare the two either. > He declared martial law Trump has sent federal troops into states that voted against him. He’s also frequently talked about “the enemy from within” to describe American citizens. And then there’s ICE… > suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting Trump has shut down…

The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election.

Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol.

Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months. Damage caused by attackers exceeded $2.7 million. It is the only attempted coup d'état directed towards the Federal government in the history of the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...

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It's been ~10 years. Everything has been hashed and rehashed to death. America knew exactly who he was on day 1. He came down the stairs calling Mexicans rapists.

No, he called some Mexican migrants into the US rapists. Trump has done plenty of real things that are worthy of criticism. Calling Mexicans in general rapists is not something he did.

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Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #78
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

Innocent until proven guilty.

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election.

Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol.

Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months. Damage caused by attackers exceeded $2.7 million. It is the only attempted coup d'état directed towards the Federal government in the history of the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capito...

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also illustrates what a real insurrection attempt looks like. [1] He declared martial law, suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting (and directed the military to enforce such), ordered the immediate arrest of numerous high level politicians with a goal of arresting hundreds, issued a declaration that all media and publications had to be approved before publication, ordered the power+water for…

Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

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Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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He'll be pardoned and released by the next election cycle, remember 2 presidents were even sentenced to death at one point. I'm reading the comments here and surprised by the lack of depth of assessing Korea's history of prosecuting its presidents and most of you are just regurgitating what's reported in mainstream news that is echoed by Korean mainstream news which cannot give you a neutral impartial view on the sit…

Yeah, I don't understand the comments praising Korea for this. A tradition of prosecuting political opponents and then pardoning all of them is a mockery of the rule of law, regardless of what they actually did.

If he's pardoned and released, sure, it's a mockery, but holding public officials accountable for their abuse of the public trust is necessary to the rule of law and democracy.

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not suggesting things are as bad as a full on insurrection. But it’s not a great leap of imagination to compare the two either. > He declared martial law Trump has sent federal troops into states that voted against him. He’s also frequently talked about “the enemy from within” to describe American citizens. And then there’s ICE… > suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting Trump has shut down…

The overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the n…

Multiple protestors had weapons and the militias had weapons parked just across the border. There also would have been no reason to pardon anyone if no crimes were being committed. But you already know this

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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He'll be pardoned and released by the next election cycle, remember 2 presidents were even sentenced to death at one point. I'm reading the comments here and surprised by the lack of depth of assessing Korea's history of prosecuting its presidents and most of you are just regurgitating what's reported in mainstream news that is echoed by Korean mainstream news which cannot give you a neutral impartial view on the sit…

For more details on this, there's some really interesting documentaries on how the Chaebol system works.

In my personal opinion that's what the US is heading towards to right now, so might give you a hint on how to prevent it.

Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Innocent until proven guilty.

According to the bipartisan House select committee that investigated the incident, the attack was the culmination of a plan by Trump to overturn the election. Within 36 hours, five people died: including a police officer who died of a stroke a day after being assaulted by rioters and collapsing at the Capitol. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by s…

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Re: South Korean ex president Yoon Suk Yeol jailed for life for leading insurrection

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also illustrates what a real insurrection attempt looks like. [1] He declared martial law, suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting (and directed the military to enforce such), ordered the immediate arrest of numerous high level politicians with a goal of arresting hundreds, issued a declaration that all media and publications had to be approved before publication, ordered the power+water for…

Just to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.

As does attempting to manipulate election officials to change the vote outcome. If not for one person rejecting this coercion the coup would have been successful.
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