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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by [deleted] »

softwaredoug wrote: post #68
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge. What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by monocasa »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #59
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Edward Snowden had stolen the most sensitive classified secrets from The United States Intelligence Community and Donald Trump is looking to squash dissent of his attempts to nullify the Constitution and establish a dictatorship. I get what you're saying, but please have some perspective. the two things are not even remotely similar.

To be fair, those sensitive secrets included secret, unconstitutional, dragnet surveillance programs targeting american citizens, and the fact that the director of national intelligence had perjured himself during congressional hearings on those programs.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by Terr_ »

softwaredoug wrote: post #68
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge. What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

We shouldn't dignify their schemes with their jargon: They are generating internal memos and submitting complaint/threat letters.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by reaperducer »

GaryBluto wrote: post #36
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

I hope that this is hyperbolic satire and not a genuine viewpoint because it is incredibly unrealistic to the point of being almost fantastical. The US government aren't going to "go after" or interfere with Hacker News at any time in the future unless it suddenly, inexplicably becomes a popular hotbed of political activism (which it shouldn't become anyway).

unless it suddenly, inexplicably becomes a popular hotbed of political activism

That's the thing about AI and scale. You don't have to only target the big fish. You can cast a wide net and scoop up data on people in every nook and cranny of the internet.

The concentration camps were loaded with people who thought their town was too small for the Nazis to bother with.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by dymk »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Sounds like a whole bunch of “both sides!!”

This ain’t the same

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Post by GaryBluto »

dymk wrote: post #85
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Sounds like a whole bunch of “both sides!!” This ain’t the same

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by malcolmgreaves »

GaryBluto wrote: post #70
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good faith by the federal government can no longer be assumed. Donald Trump's real legacy is not any single action, but a complete inversion of trust of the US government by its citizens. And the world.

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Wrong. Stop both sides-ing this. What the republicans have been doing is nothing at all like what the democrats have done. All of the work of making Americans distrust their government from the executive in the last 60 years have come from Republicans: Nixon, Regan, Bush, and now Trump.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by Terr_ »

reaperducer wrote: post #74

It makes one wonder how long until dang is forced to turn over logs of who responds in certain ways to certain messages on HN, and who upvotes prohibited thought.

Hmmm, how many of our past account email-settings are kept?

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by AngryNPC »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #40
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

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This guy gets it, and isn't falling for the distractions.

Also, what is going on with this thread? Everyone here sounds like they're from Reddit, which has one of the most hysterical and heavily-propagandized userbases in existence.

One person here even said that Reddit is "free from MAGA influences". Like lol, Reddit is nothing but bot accounts and activist moderators who will insta-ban you for wrong-think. The whole site is nothing but astroturfing, and you have to be an NPC to believe any political post on its frontpage.

HN's has been one of my fav sites to lurk on for at least a decade, but I can't tell it apart from Reddit sometimes.

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