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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#81
post #6

Stallman was right.

Is, he’s still with us.

Was, he said it a long time ago. He has said a lot of things that sounded kind of far-fetched and paranoid at the time, but which were later demonstrated to be true, so "Stallman was right" is reappraising the past statement.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#82
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ring ran a Superbowl ad showing their cameras being used to find a lost dog. This made people realize they can be used to track people just as easily.

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Don't worry we track only bad people and if we track someone this means they're bad.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#84

Stallman was right.

It's easy to be right when you live outside the boundaries of reality. E.g. he won't (didn't?) own a mobile phone, but is okay with borrowing someone else's. He won't use Wi-Fi where he has to log in but would happily borrow someone else's. It's not being right; it's shifting responsibility in exchange for his own personal convenience.

> it's shifting responsibility in exchange for his own personal convenience.

And? That’s actually one of the strategies to counter any risk, if you can’t avoid it or mitigate it, you transfer it.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful what you wish for, local cops have already abused cameras and license plate readers to arrest people just for driving by the location and looking similar to doorbell video, over package theft... https://youtu.be/37fp2n6p19Q

In Poland some moron in surveillance center visually profiled a random guy as one wanted person (by jacket color), then police took the guy to the police station and beat him to death. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Igor_Stachowiak

Wow. What an infuriating case, again and again. Only 2 years in prison for the perps because the court decided that "excited delirium" killed the guy and not being beaten and tased 4 times.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#86

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

> like I'm being watched.

Working as intended? It’s a wireless CCTV.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#87
post #4

Funny how a single superbowl ad from Ring themselves was able to do in one weekend what a thousand and one anti Ring bloggers were unable to do for the past 10 years straight. This commercial and the response will probably be studied in marketing classes.

Am I missing something? I thought it was not the ad itself, but rather the combination with the reporting on that Guthrie abduction, which claimed that although there was no subscription to the recording service, the video data was still recovered, i.e., recorded and sent to Google servers. Regardless of how you see it, although the ad was a kind of manipulative reframing of surveillance infrastructure by using pets…

I think the Guthrie case had Nest cameras, thus the Google servers.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#88
post #42

I predict 100 returns in total and then everybody forgets about this in a week. I'm not cheering for this outcome but it's the sad reality.

In their defense, Redditors returning a throwaway piece of electronics then posting about it is probably the biggest sense of accomplishment they'll get all month. It takes a special level of delusion to think you're pulling one over on the billion-dollar company who just paid millions to advertise this capability during the Super Bowl as if everyone didn't already know. Hasn't Ring been sharing video with law enforc…

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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#89
post #42

I predict 100 returns in total and then everybody forgets about this in a week. I'm not cheering for this outcome but it's the sad reality.

In their defense, Redditors returning a throwaway piece of electronics then posting about it is probably the biggest sense of accomplishment they'll get all month. It takes a special level of delusion to think you're pulling one over on the billion-dollar company who just paid millions to advertise this capability during the Super Bowl as if everyone didn't already know. Hasn't Ring been sharing video with law enforc…

That's one reason why being in a Reddit bubble is dangerous. Reddit always seems to be boycotting something (including Reddit itself), but those boycotts rarely led anywhere. Then news websites pick up on Reddit as a source of news and the rest is echo effect.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

#90
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By buying a superbowl ad?

By packing in a message that is understandble by non techies.

Agree with GP, the message by techies wasn't opaque, the choice of message broker just had a different reach.
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