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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by TheCowboy »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I've read and have been told this issue is due to issues with video drivers and performance. I never bothered to try and fix it since playing around with video drivers is painful.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by elemenohpee »

arocks wrote: post #42
lhnn wrote: post #26

Everyone has their own preferred setup, and that's great! It's part of what makes FOSS great: Your choice. My choice is Xubuntu. I've been using Xubuntu on my laptop for the past 6 months, and the 12.10 beta for the past two. The link below is my tasklist after install to really make Xubuntu shine. Oh! And now with updates to the Ubiquity installer, FDE can be done with the GUI instead of fiddling with the debian-ins…

Thanks for this. I have been on the lookout for a lightweight OS like Crunchbag to upgrade my desktop from Ubuntu 10.10. Being a intermediate user, I do not want a lot of bells and whistles but appreciate a more responsive system. I manage a lot of Ubuntu servers so I would prefer an Ubuntu development environment as well. In fact, I am seriously considering using a virtual machine for this purpose.

Lubuntu is also worth checking out.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by mattw »

acheron wrote: post #49
vibrunazo wrote: post #16

One word of advice, don't do the automatic upgrade, do a full reinstall instead. After trying that for the last 5 or so releases. Always thinking that this time they fixed it. I'm not falling for that again. You'll see, as always, some reports of people saying they tried and it worked. But be careful, it's a trap!

Huh, really? I've never had an issue and been doing the automatic upgrade for quite awhile. This is for the Server version though; I would believe it if the Desktop one is more fragile.

Server also can be hit-and-miss if you've got any irregularities in your setup...I had a rough upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 a few weeks ago (died halfway through, system left in half-upgraded broken-but-bootable state). In the end it turned out that it was due to a no-longer-maintained package (gitosis) which I'd replaced some time ago (with gitolite) but I hadn't actually removed the gitosis package and there was some hangup about deleting the gitosis user.

In fairness, after manually resolving the problem with removing gitosis and cleaning up a couple of other half-upgraded things, the upgrade process did recover and finish successfully, but it certainly wasn't painless.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by listic »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

How do I switch from Unity to Gnome Shell in Ubuntu? (12.04)

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by ekianjo »

tresta wrote: post #23
vibrunazo wrote: post #16

One word of advice, don't do the automatic upgrade, do a full reinstall instead. After trying that for the last 5 or so releases. Always thinking that this time they fixed it. I'm not falling for that again. You'll see, as always, some reports of people saying they tried and it worked. But be careful, it's a trap!

I really don't understand why the upgrade seems to be so hit and miss between people. My current laptop has been on the same ubuntu install since (at least) 10.04. I've even upgraded to beta versions a couple of times and the only problem I've ever had was when I upgraded to the 12.10 beta and it ran out of disk space in the middle of the install. But that was recoverable. Of course, this comment might be a trap. The…

I had problems updating from 9.04 to 9.10 -> I remember it messed up my system so bad I had to reinstall it from scratch. After that, i moved to Mint for a while, and then tried Ubuntu again for 11.10 then did the update to 12.04 without any issue. I will try upgrading to 12.10 within the system again this time.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by Peaker »

morsch wrote: post #62
trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I always thought Unity was all right in general, Compiz in particular has a wealth of functionality that just doesn't exist yet in Gnome3. The Unity dock is very good, particularly the way it deals with multiple application windows (broadly: first click: bring LRU to front, second click: expose all application windows). But I still think the "Lenses" thing is just awful. It's fine for starting a specific application…

I'm giving Unity another shot these days and it's still frustrating me. I still find it significantly less convenient than the old Gnome 2 was, and that's after tweaking some of the more annoying offenders (simple Alt press bringing up a huge window).

For example, the "expose" feature shows a bunch of windows and lets you browse between them with the arrows. However, the lowered the contrast between them so much that I really have no idea which window I'm currently selecting.

Similarly, multiple windows barely show which is in focus due to this weird fetish for near 0 contrast.

Also, I'm still missing my task list, wanting to know what I've been using to remind me where I stand in each desktop. The little arrows are much less helpful.

When pressing winkey, it waits something like a whole second before it shows me the unity-bar's numbering, and without those, the keyboard is useless. I use the keyboard to work faster, not slower, but Unity is slowing me down here as well.

These are just the criticisms off the top of my head, but overall it's been a pretty annoying week or so with Unity.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by w1ntermute »

lhnn wrote: post #26

Everyone has their own preferred setup, and that's great! It's part of what makes FOSS great: Your choice. My choice is Xubuntu. I've been using Xubuntu on my laptop for the past 6 months, and the 12.10 beta for the past two. The link below is my tasklist after install to really make Xubuntu shine. Oh! And now with updates to the Ubiquity installer, FDE can be done with the GUI instead of fiddling with the debian-ins…

Yeah, Xfce is great. I don't know why more people who keep bitching about Unity and Gnome 3 don't just switch to Xfce. It's a solid DE that doesn't pull the rug out from under you on a whim because the devs decided they wanted to copy Apple.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by coffeeaddicted »

trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I don't like the design of Unity, but I put up with it for a simple reason - it's been working stable without crashes here from the start. As long as they keep that I'm fine and hope they improve the rest over time.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by trotsky »

TheCowboy wrote: post #81
trotsky wrote: post #58

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my e…

I've read and have been told this issue is due to issues with video drivers and performance. I never bothered to try and fix it since playing around with video drivers is painful.

That is completely accurate in the same way that a slow truck delivering eggs packaged in solid lead cartons can be said to have a horsepower problem.
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